Maybe just maybe we should give them a chance before ripping them apart.
They might be able to relate to the younger guys better but who knows but looking forward to 2024 and seeing how it goes. IMO I think this is going to work and just need to add a few more pieces to the puzzle. Centre and winger with speed
I am worried about the inexperience in the coaching ranks, but I will give this support and see how it goes. I want to see the governance of this club sorted though.
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This is such recency bias , outrage at nothing !
All 4 of the coaching staff , were elite NRL players , coached by the best coaches to ever do this thing .
We know Morris developed pathways , but he did that as an inexperienced coach fresh off retirement .
Benji , has spent the last 5 years plus of his career , basically as an assistant coach , especially at the back end of the dragons and broncos , when he was only brought there to do exactly that .
At the tigers from all reports it was a continuation of the same , so much that Madge got his nose out of joint , and felt he was being undermined , so he moved him on .
Rinse, repeat south’s .
Robbie has always been a leader , was always apart of defensive strategies and think tanks at both south’s and the tigers , to the point that it would be an embarrassment if he didn’t pick up a few things , such was his influence which allowed him into those strategy meetings .
And Heighno , I have zero idea , but as the above has stated he has a pretty good resume , if you removed the name Heighnington , and replaced it with Smith , how many people would say that resume was insufficient for an assistant coach , especially when it’s pretty well stated he will specialise in the middles . Which is pretty niche , and low down the totem pole in the hierarchy of coaches .
My guess , is they hire Sandercock as well, with a 5 deep coaching structure .
Just as a caveat , Phil Gould talks about how when the roosters won thier premiership under Sticky , they had a very similar coaching structure ; these were the names below Ricky ;
Cleary
Cartwright
Flanagan and there’s one other pretty well known I’m blanking on .
All recently retired , and all went on to reasonable success . Even sticky was pretty inexperienced at the time .
Jusr relax is all I’m saying .
we’ve had career assistants , premiership winning coaches , old legends , why not try recently retired players from strong systems . And in morris we have a young coach with experience .
If there wasn’t potential I can’t see Morris coming here to be honest . He doesn’t strike me as the undermining type .
This is such recency bias , outrage at nothing !
All 4 of the coaching staff , were elite NRL players , coached by the best coaches to ever do this thing .
We know Morris developed pathways , but he did that as an inexperienced coach fresh off retirement .
Benji , has spent the last 5 years plus of his career , basically as an assistant coach , especially at the back end of the dragons and broncos , when he was only brought there to do exactly that .At the tigers from all reports it was a continuation of the same , so much that Madge got his nose out of joint , and felt he was being undermined , so he moved him on .
Rinse, repeat south’s .
Robbie has always been a leader , was always apart of defensive strategies and think tanks at both south’s and the tigers , to the point that it would be an embarrassment if he didn’t pick up a few things , such was his influence which allowed him into those strategy meetings .
And Heighno , I have zero idea , but as the above has stated he has a pretty good resume , if you removed the name Heighnington , and replaced it with Smith , how many people would say that resume was insufficient for an assistant coach , especially when it’s pretty well stated he will specialise in the middles . Which is pretty niche , and low down the totem pole in the hierarchy of coaches .
My guess , is they hire Sandercock as well, with a 5 deep coaching structure .
Just as a caveat , Phil Gould talks about how when the roosters won thier premiership under Sticky , they had a very similar coaching structure ; these were the names below Ricky ;Cleary
Cartwright
Flanagan and there’s one other pretty well known I’m blanking on .
All recently retired , and all went on to reasonable success . Even sticky was pretty inexperienced at the time .
Jusr relax is all I’m saying .
we’ve had career assistants , premiership winning coaches , old legends , why not try recently retired players from strong systems . And in morris we have a young coach with experience .
If there wasn’t potential I can’t see Morris coming here to be honest . He doesn’t strike me as the undermining type .
Morris definitely isn't the undermining type from my experience.
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The Stuart crew had Gould as a coaching director above them all, so their inexperience counted less.
I would be fine with throwing in one of the rookies as part of an otherwise experienced team, but as it is we have 3/4 of the staff with little or no actual coaching experience. Not even coaching age groups or reserves - no coaching experience (other than Benji and Farah this year). It's a huge risk for a club with zero winning culture, a weak roster and a whole bunch of kids needing development.
I've dealt with Heighno via work with his prior business and he's a very good operator and well respected in that space. But it's a bit different to actually coaching elite sport. I imagine his role will combine a bit of both new responsibilities and his current workload.
Obviously I hope they kill it as I loved them all as players and they all seem stand up guys. But it's a huge ask of them given the situation.
@lestronge I don’t think it’s necessarily recency bias and I think people are concerned with the experience level . I would have preferred someone with more experience as an assistant coach given our head coach is inexperienced. On the other hand however I think Morris is an excellent appointment.
I’m hopeful next year will be better due to our halves situation but outside of Morris our coaches are extremely light on experience wise. Most coaches do apprenticeships as assistant coaches for 10 years before moving into head coaching roles. Our guys have less than 10 years coaching experienced combined. I’m hoping for the best but I’m not getting my hopes up.
@851 what a ridiculous comment. Expect more from you.
Hilarious to flow your ridiculous comment with an attack on someone else's reasonable comment as being ridiculous.
My issue is with him telling people to follow someone else. Anyone on here is a genuine Tigers fan. We’ve been through 12 years of no finals and 2 consecutive wooden spoons and we’re still here. No one should be told to follow another club because they don’t agree with a certain view. You may find my views ridiculous, and I might find yours ridiculous, but I’d never tell you to go follow someone else and I’d hope you wouldn’t either?
@dirty-reds I don’t understand this type of comment . Not being a jerk , but it reads like group think to me .
like that’s what we are supposed to say and feel .
We have done the industry standard for 10 years and it has gotten us nothing but shame , sadness , and bitterness. That’s not even including the players failures .
I get being cautious!
But the death riding whether intentional or not , comes across as masochistic to me. Like people enjoy the misery. Not judging but I’ve said this before , what is literally the point.
If anyone has seen major league , it’s like randy quaids character who just constantly 💩 the team .
That’s the way it comes across . You don’t have to happy clap , I don’t think anyone is, but season 23 is over thank god , turn your brain off.
And think back to all the well credentialed coaches you hoped would trip and fall and never coach again. Anyways, all good, just yea . No good wallowing I’m misery o guess !
@avocadoontoast yep . This is exactly how I feel . But I don’t want to call the losers before a game is played . And to be fair I think we had too many chefs in the kitchen this season.
With less experience , it leaves a true hierarchy that’s obvious to everyone .
But hey I just went for a swim and a surf , the sun is blaring , and yea my misery goes out the window when the sun comes out . So the sun burns away my negative thoughts and anxiety around this team .
Plus I don’t watch any football anymore the season is over .
Not saying you are , but if this team is making you feel miserable , then head outside and go for a walk , because the east coast is turning it on for us .
@avocadoontoast yep . This is exactly how I feel . But I don’t want to call the losers before a game is played . And to be fair I think we had too many chefs in the kitchen this season.
With less experience , it leaves a true hierarchy that’s obvious to everyone .
But hey I just went for a swim and a surf , the sun is blaring , and yea my misery goes out the window when the sun comes out . So the sun burns away my negative thoughts and anxiety around this team .
Plus I don’t watch any football anymore the season is over .
Not saying you are , but if this team is making you feel miserable , then head outside and go for a walk , because the east coast is turning it on for us .
just back from a swim myself coincidentally. Mate this team doesn’t ever upset me anymore. It used to. I always just expect the worst now so I’m never disappointed lol.
Re experience - Webster had only coached 3 games at NRL level before this season.
Sheens and Bennett both 600 games plus and their sides were also rans.
It’s not the be all and end all at this level - if you get the chemistry right among the group.
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Re experience - Webster had only coached 3 games at NRL level before this season.
Sheens and Bennett both 600 games plus and their sides were also rans.
It’s not the be all and end all at this level - if you get the chemistry right among the group.
I have to put my hand up that I did not rate Webster and didnt want him here at the Tigers but he has obviously done a fantastic job at the Warriors and its quite obvious at pressers the respect the players have for him. With 20:20 hindsight he would have been better than Sheens/Marshall but not sure he would have had similar success here.
Re experience - Webster had only coached 3 games at NRL level before this season.
Sheens and Bennett both 600 games plus and their sides were also rans.
It’s not the be all and end all at this level - if you get the chemistry right among the group.
that’s very true, but he’s been an assistant coach for almost 20 years. I’m not saying our structure is not going to work, I hope it does, but it’s risky.
Who knows, maybe Benji will be our Deion Sanders
Aiden Sezer out for second week with concussion...
hope fainu and Sullivan are ready for trials
