Add rich fan boy Lee and I would agree.@helmesy you abandon the plan in its entirety. Benji wouldn’t have learned anything worth remembering under Sheens. Flanagan and Hasler are both available, or go for a pommie coach.
The way to do it would be for the board to sack Pascoe, then the new CEO decides on a new approach. I think both Sheens and Pascoe going would be well received by the vast majority of fans.
Its getting really hard and painful following this club. I really need a ray of light, a little hope.....something to look forward to.
Agree mate...
IMO we are not as far off as results seem. We are basically an NFL team with no Quarterback. It's that simple and I believe if we can get 2 experienced halves we will be fine as we have a great forward pack for a few years and with Bula / Staines / Topou back 3 they will also get better.
Maybe approach Cowboys about Townsend for a few years to run the team around.
Add rich fan boy Lee and I would agree.
Absolutely, he needs to go too.
Its getting really hard and painful following this club. I really need a ray of light, a little hope.....something to look forward to.
Agree mate...
IMO we are not as far off as results seem. We are basically an NFL team with no Quarterback. It's that simple and I believe if we can get 2 experienced halves we will be fine as we have a great forward pack for a few years and with Bula / Staines / Topou back 3 they will also get better.
Maybe approach Cowboys about Townsend for a few years to run the team around.
I always hated Townsend, but I'd be ok if we got him provided he had an electric 5/8. I would go hard for Jayden Campbell to play 6. If we miss Jayden the Luke Metcalf
Add rich fan boy Lee and I would agree.@helmesy you abandon the plan in its entirety. Benji wouldn’t have learned anything worth remembering under Sheens. Flanagan and Hasler are both available, or go for a pommie coach.
The way to do it would be for the board to sack Pascoe, then the new CEO decides on a new approach. I think both Sheens and Pascoe going would be well received by the vast majority of fans.
Ive said it a few times before, I actually think Lee is the one that should be replaced (at least initially). Its the Chairmans job to lead the board and instigate change.
Ive said it a few times before, I actually think Lee is the one that should be replaced (at least initially). Its the Chairmans job to lead the board and instigate change.
Pascoe too mate. He's too much of a lightweight to handle a job like this. He's Neville Chamberlain, we need a Churchill.
Ive said it a few times before, I actually think Lee is the one that should be replaced (at least initially). Its the Chairmans job to lead the board and instigate change.
Pascoe too mate. He's too much of a lightweight to handle a job like this. He's Neville Chamberlain, we need a Churchill.
I dont disagree but you may be missing my point. Change the CEO, then you change the CEO, one man. Might be better, might not. Change the Chairman and you change the direction of the board, which changes the direction if not the personnel of the CEO and the direction of the whole organisation.
Yeah I think it’s highly unlikely that we are going to change our plan any time soon. The club has chosen to define itself as the 2005-2011 Wests Tigers and it has gone all in on this. For a young (merged) club with a limited history of success this makes some sense because in the 10yrs since there has not been any semblance of a new culture emerging. We have just shuffled from one failure to the next with the coach and coaching philosophy being cycled to rough every few years. For good or bad the Board has now decided that the culture we had during that window of success is how they want the club be run and they are implementing that by re-hiring the head coach from that period and filling the organisation with players that came through that period. They are also focusing on developing juniors and moving the centre of gravity of the organisation towards Campbelltown. You can argue with any of these points and whether you think it will be successful but I think it will be futile, this is where we are going. We are not going to go get a Flanagan or Hasler to try and get some short term success, we are going to have Benji run the show for the next 4.5yrs at least.
Whilst the results are terrible and are compounded by the Hastings decision, I actually have more confidence in this team than I have had for a long time ie when we work through our current issues we will have some enduring success that will see us more regularly anchored in the top 8 than the bottom 8.
things that I think are positive:
1) I think recruitment has been good but more importantly i think we have moved players on that are not going to bring the club success
2) there is a core of young players who I can see are developing their game and becoming consistent first graders (tupou, pole, Steph, Blore, kepaoa and now Bula and even toa).
3) we have experimented a bit but I think our starting 17 are now starting to pick themselves and that breads confidence, consistency and combinations.
4) whilst there isn’t much more in the KOE side that are close to NRL there are a few players coming into flegg now that are moving quickly through the system and will be pressing for first grade in the next 18 months creating competition internally for spots that we have not had for a decade.
5) return to Campbelltown and LO is now openly club policy. It has taken way too long but it seems like the Home Ground Wars are finally over. I’m sure the club will find a way to stuff it up but we need to pick and stick with this decision and build a more regular home ground experience.
6) we are competitive across the park with one massive glaring issue in the halves. Whilst it is an enormous challenge it is not insurmountable because we also have massive cap space. We have not made a panic signing yet and I don’t believe we will. There is $1m on the table for someone to play 7 at our club and if we can hold out for the right person to fit our system that will lead to a radical improvement in our on field results IMHO.
I am concerned that Sheens may be a significant part of the problem, but I will add two clear positives from Sheens that I believe are superior to what we got from Madge.
Firstly, change. We are seeing tactical changes responding to our weaknesses. The runaroundathon being a glaring example.
Secondly, individual player improvement. In the short time that Sheens has been back IMO we have seen massive improvement in some players, specifically Kepaoa, Toa, Bula's development, Pole, even Twal's game has improved. This may have happened under Madge but Im less confident of that.
We’re in a quagmire. Who do you go with instead?
I would go with Flanagan, and I would also appoint a younger assistant coach/ Koe to take over in say four/ five years with Flanagan moved into a development recruitment role.
Well, Sheens threw Kimmorley into sink or swim and we know what happened; the first ever wooden spoon for the club I think, in part, by the dereliction of duty of Sheens in supporting Kimmorley.That "ray of light" you refer to would, IMO, be the removal of Tim Sheens from any coaching role effective immediately.Its getting really hard and painful following this club. I really need a ray of light, a little hope.....something to look forward to.
Contrast the results, so far, of the two 70+ yo coaches in 2023. Bennett's thrown together mob of discards set a record to turn around their 26-0 deficit to win 28-26 and baffle all of the pundits by their successes so far. Meanwhile, our very own Teflon Tim has led the Tigers to an achievement that has not been matched since 2008 - seven straight losses. Oh, and the laughing stock of the NRL.
It's the coach's job to improve and inspire and lead players to adapt and respond within the challenges of a game. Bennett, has that skill in bucket loads. Sheens doesn't, and hasn't had for more than 15 years. He's the source of the angst we find ourselves in right now. He needs to be removed.
We’re in a quagmire. Who do you go with instead? Throw Benji in to sink or swim or Furner as an interim?
So, in short, YES, appoint Marshall now as Head NRL coach and think of some busy work for Sheens to do to keep him away from direct coaching. WT are 0-7 F*S, what are the players or Marshall learning from Sheens and why does they/he/WE need two more years of it?
@helmesy you abandon the plan in its entirety. Benji wouldn’t have learned anything worth remembering under Sheens. Flanagan and Hasler are both available, or go for a pommie coach.
The way to do it would be for the board to sack Pascoe, then the new CEO decides on a new approach. I think both Sheens and Pascoe going would be well received by the vast majority of fans.
100% spot on.
Pascoe and Sheens are on borrowed time already, only a matter of time.
the club won't be sacking Sheens and nor should they, if they punt Sheens and let Marshall go then what does that say about our club and any prospective coaches ? nobody is safe and look what they do to legends of the club like Sheens and Marshall. Simply will not happen.
We need to wait for our juniors to come through and hope we hold on to a few of them and build a team around them. This is not a quick fix unfortunately dare I say it at least 3 to 5 years to get this right
Can we had Brooks and get all 3 out this week, things will be far rosier then@helmesy you abandon the plan in its entirety. Benji wouldn’t have learned anything worth remembering under Sheens. Flanagan and Hasler are both available, or go for a pommie coach.
The way to do it would be for the board to sack Pascoe, then the new CEO decides on a new approach. I think both Sheens and Pascoe going would be well received by the vast majority of fans.
100% spot on.
Pascoe and Sheens are on borrowed time already, only a matter of time.