Injuries are part and parcel of Rugby League.. they certainly have an effect on results..
Looking at all Clubs (No. of Top 30 players out)
Brisbane (5), Canberra (6) Dogs (5) Sharks (3) Gold Coast (1) Manly (8) Storm (6) Knights (5) Cows (1) Parra (5) Penrith (0) Souths (6) Dragons (5) Rorters (4) Warriors (4) Wests Tigers (12)..I want what's in the water at the Pamfers..
Storm for example lose Papenhuyzen and Hughes and where thumped by the Pamfers having won their past 3 games by plenty..
Great research @geo
12 out of 30 is a fair impact - particularly when we would need a full strength squad for every game to even have a chance of making the 8 this year
Storm lost 32-6 to 1st place Panthers
We lost 36- 12 to 3rd place cowboys
Storm missed fullback and halfback
We missed fullback, halfback, hooker, winger, 2 centres
@yanni @celtic_tiger You don't need to blame injuries if you don't want to, but to simply ignore it as a major factor is not being truthful.
Nrl is a game of small margins which can make a big impact
And what was the truth earlier in the season before all the injuries and last season and the season before. Yes injuries during a game can have a big impact on the result but when players have been ruled out for weeks the players coming in should know what’s needed and be ready if there not that’s down to poor recruitment and coaching
Citing injuries as the reason we lost is just an excuse and if we keep accepting excuses our club will forever be a bottom four club.
The fact is that RL is a tough game and every club has injuries to deal with.
Our issue is that our depth signings are barely even state cup level and that’s down to utterly inept recruitment.
I fully agree with this.
I feel like we could be 1-2 more wins higher up the ladder if we'd made better roster decisions in the off season.
The James Roberts signing was not justified.
It will be interesting to see if we pull players into the squad this week now that NRL clubs can choose from outside the Top 30.
In the press conference last night, Madge made reference to AJ and Nofa returning.
It’s a completely absurd reasoning to say that injuries don’t affect the output or result and are no excuse.
If you as a team are missing 12 out of 30,how can it not be a factor relating to performance?How can it be that missing over a third of our squad is just an excuse?Nobody likes losing,but this is the harsh reality.Under the circumstances I believe we’re showing so much determination and resolve and when the reinforcements come we’ll turn it around in spades.
In regards to your comments on James Roberts I believe they are completely off the mark.If his signing was unjustified I believe he put that to bed.He was our best centre up to the time he was injured and certainly was performing miles above his minimum wage status.
Would be good to see some stats about James Roberts which support your view. Can I ask whether you would give him another go next year?
Injuries are part and parcel of Rugby League.. they certainly have an effect on results..
Looking at all Clubs (No. of Top 30 players out)
Brisbane (5), Canberra (6) Dogs (5) Sharks (3) Gold Coast (1) Manly (8) Storm (6) Knights (5) Cows (1) Parra (5) Penrith (0) Souths (6) Dragons (5) Rorters (4) Warriors (4) Wests Tigers (12)..I want what's in the water at the Pamfers..
Storm for example lose Papenhuyzen and Hughes and where thumped by the Pamfers having won their past 3 games by plenty..
I think those arguing for/against the 'injuries are a fair excuse" can probably find plenty of stats to support their position.
My view is that while we have been impacted by injuries, the extent of the impact is compounded by sorry recruitment.
Im sure I remember reading that at rd 1 we had 29 players contracted and $600k left to spend in the cap.
Given Blore, AD, AJ and Tommy Talau were all on Long Term injury list at that point the decision not to sign a 30th player at that time was pretty dumb.
Injuries are part and parcel of Rugby League.. they certainly have an effect on results..
Looking at all Clubs (No. of Top 30 players out)
Brisbane (5), Canberra (6) Dogs (5) Sharks (3) Gold Coast (1) Manly (8) Storm (6) Knights (5) Cows (1) Parra (5) Penrith (0) Souths (6) Dragons (5) Rorters (4) Warriors (4) Wests Tigers (12)..I want what's in the water at the Pamfers..
Storm for example lose Papenhuyzen and Hughes and where thumped by the Pamfers having won their past 3 games by plenty..
I think those arguing for/against the 'injuries are a fair excuse" can probably find plenty of stats to support their position.
My view is that while we have been impacted by injuries, the extent of the impact is compounded by sorry recruitment.
Im sure I remember reading that at rd 1 we had 29 players contracted and $600k left to spend in the cap.
Given Blore, AD, AJ and Tommy Talau were all on Long Term injury list at that point the decision not to sign a 30th player at that time was pretty dumb.
Agreed, we should have added someone.
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Citing injuries as the reason we lost is just an excuse and if we keep accepting excuses our club will forever be a bottom four club.
The fact is that RL is a tough game and every club has injuries to deal with.
Our issue is that our depth signings are barely even state cup level and that’s down to utterly inept recruitment.
I fully agree with this.
I feel like we could be 1-2 more wins higher up the ladder if we'd made better roster decisions in the off season.
The James Roberts signing was not justified.
It will be interesting to see if we pull players into the squad this week now that NRL clubs can choose from outside the Top 30.
In the press conference last night, Madge made reference to AJ and Nofa returning.
It’s a completely absurd reasoning to say that injuries don’t affect the output or result and are no excuse.
If you as a team are missing 12 out of 30,how can it not be a factor relating to performance?How can it be that missing over a third of our squad is just an excuse?Nobody likes losing,but this is the harsh reality.Under the circumstances I believe we’re showing so much determination and resolve and when the reinforcements come we’ll turn it around in spades.
In regards to your comments on James Roberts I believe they are completely off the mark.If his signing was unjustified I believe he put that to bed.He was our best centre up to the time he was injured and certainly was performing miles above his minimum wage status.
Would be good to see some stats about James Roberts which support your view. Can I ask whether you would give him another go next year?
No worries Mickb.When he returns if he continues to display that form I would definitely re sign him before the likes of the Dolphins.He still has a lot to offer in my opinion,possesses plenty of speed and has a wealth of experience.Further to that he comes at bargain basement and has really knuckled down.I don’t have his stats at hand,but I reckon the only grounds for not keeping the Jet has been his tendency to injury.
Citing injuries as the reason we lost is just an excuse and if we keep accepting excuses our club will forever be a bottom four club.
The fact is that RL is a tough game and every club has injuries to deal with.
Our issue is that our depth signings are barely even state cup level and that’s down to utterly inept recruitment.
I fully agree with this.
I feel like we could be 1-2 more wins higher up the ladder if we'd made better roster decisions in the off season.
The James Roberts signing was not justified.
It will be interesting to see if we pull players into the squad this week now that NRL clubs can choose from outside the Top 30.
In the press conference last night, Madge made reference to AJ and Nofa returning.
It’s a completely absurd reasoning to say that injuries don’t affect the output or result and are no excuse.
If you as a team are missing 12 out of 30,how can it not be a factor relating to performance?How can it be that missing over a third of our squad is just an excuse?Nobody likes losing,but this is the harsh reality.Under the circumstances I believe we’re showing so much determination and resolve and when the reinforcements come we’ll turn it around in spades.
In regards to your comments on James Roberts I believe they are completely off the mark.If his signing was unjustified I believe he put that to bed.He was our best centre up to the time he was injured and certainly was performing miles above his minimum wage status.
Would be good to see some stats about James Roberts which support your view. Can I ask whether you would give him another go next year?
I would, depending on if the operation has effected his speed.
@tiger-symmetry He along with BJ were not the right signings for our club and that sits on Madge’s plate. We had Momorovski and probably Talau who should have played centre. But anyways, onwards and upwards.
@tiger-symmetry He along with BJ were not the right signings for our club and that sits on Madge’s plate. We had Momorovski and probably Talau who should have played centre. But anyways, onwards and upwards.
Yeah Madge must not have been a Momorovski fan, let him go twice.
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Starting the season with Gildart and Roberts as the centres pairing was just madness especially since we had an open spot in our top 30 and cap space to accommodate a signing.
Roberts was on a train and trial after a horrendous season last year punctuated by injuries and Gildart was an utterly unproven ESL player with doubts about his defence. Neither would have gotten a start at any other NRL team.
Surely it's no surprise that 10 games in Roberts is injured and Gildart is struggling in defence(and injured). This is not difficult or complicated stuff and there should have been contingencies in place given that we new Talou and Douhei would miss a chunk of the season.
Throw into that Toa being then only realistic option at full back when Laurie went down then it just highlights how inept our recruitment has been which is a worry not only for this season but next season too.
@tiger-symmetry He along with BJ were not the right signings for our club and that sits on Madge’s plate. We had Momorovski and probably Talau who should have played centre. But anyways, onwards and upwards.
Cheers @logan21,I agree with you in regards to BJ,but Jimmy the jet came at no great impost to our cap,and was a State of Origin player with a degree of baggage.If he were coming to us at 400k and upwards I’d be in your court.At less than half of that amount a risk I’d be willing to take,even as a back up.
Starting the season with Gildart and Roberts as the centres pairing was just madness especially since we had an open spot in our top 30 and cap space to accommodate a signing.
Roberts was on a train and trial after a horrendous season last year punctuated by injuries and Gildart was an utterly unproven ESL player with doubts about his defence. Neither would have gotten a start at any other NRL team.
Surely it's no surprise that 10 games in Roberts is injured and Gildart is struggling in defence(and injured). This is not difficult or complicated stuff and there should have been contingencies in place given that we new Talou and Douhei would miss a chunk of the season.
Throw into that Toa being then only realistic option at full back when Laurie went down then it just highlights how inept our recruitment has been which is a worry not only for this season but next season too.
I agree with you on contingency.At base NRL wage,that is precisely what James Roberts was.He didn’t have much game time due to injury but if you go back through his games last year he hardly touched the ball.He was forced to go looking for it at dummy half most of the time.
This year prior to injury he was playing his contingency role very well,after AJKepaoa,earmarked for centre,went down with the pectoral injury pre season.Anyone who says the Jet hasn’t played well this year is a hard taskmaster I think.
@tiger-symmetry yes I get your point, however in my personal opinion there was a lot more upside with Momorovski than Roberts.
@tiger-symmetry yes I get your point, however in my personal opinion there was a lot more upside with Momorovski than Roberts.
Yep,I agree with you there.PM is a smart,solid and consistent player.He’s not a slow as people think either.
Injuries are part and parcel of Rugby League.. they certainly have an effect on results..
Looking at all Clubs (No. of Top 30 players out)
Brisbane (5), Canberra (6) Dogs (5) Sharks (3) Gold Coast (1) Manly (8) Storm (6) Knights (5) Cows (1) Parra (5) Penrith (0) Souths (6) Dragons (5) Rorters (4) Warriors (4) Wests Tigers (12)..I want what's in the water at the Pamfers..
Storm for example lose Papenhuyzen and Hughes and where thumped by the Pamfers having won their past 3 games by plenty..
I think those arguing for/against the 'injuries are a fair excuse" can probably find plenty of stats to support their position.
My view is that while we have been impacted by injuries, the extent of the impact is compounded by sorry recruitment.
Im sure I remember reading that at rd 1 we had 29 players contracted and $600k left to spend in the cap.
Given Blore, AD, AJ and Tommy Talau were all on Long Term injury list at that point the decision not to sign a 30th player at that time was pretty dumb.
Agreed, we should have added someone.
Brett Naden anyone..
@tiger-symmetry yes I get your point, however in my personal opinion there was a lot more upside with Momorovski than Roberts.
Roberts at his best is a much better player and is on much less coin, he also has one thing that we don't have.
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