There needs to be positive and forward thinking .. Sheens as coach please the club needs to move forward
Sheens as coach would be terrible for everything except nostalgia.
He's a development coach and one of the best coaches of all time. I think after 2 years at the helm the club would be in much better shape than it is now. But as I said, i'm not advocating it, I think if we can get a good coach in now we should do it, and leave him head of football.
If we can find a guy that can synchronise with Sheens in the coaching role then I think that’s the better way of doing it longterm than giving Sheens the coaching job.
Yep I agree. I think Morris as HC with Sheens helping out is a good option.
I have to think that if Morris was available it would be a done deal by now. The length of time taken is worrying me, I think we are out of legitimate candidates.
I tend to agree, I posted something similar yesterday. Hope we’re wrong but I’m not confident.
There needs to be positive and forward thinking .. Sheens as coach please the club needs to move forward
Sheens as coach would be terrible for everything except nostalgia.
He's a development coach and one of the best coaches of all time. I think after 2 years at the helm the club would be in much better shape than it is now. But as I said, i'm not advocating it, I think if we can get a good coach in now we should do it, and leave him head of football.
If we can find a guy that can synchronise with Sheens in the coaching role then I think that’s the better way of doing it longterm than giving Sheens the coaching job.
Yep I agree. I think Morris as HC with Sheens helping out is a good option.
I have to think that if Morris was available it would be a done deal by now. The length of time taken is worrying me, I think we are out of legitimate candidates.
I tend to agree, I posted something similar yesterday. Hope we’re wrong but I’m not confident.
I honestly think we had a clear target but now we have missed things will be a little slower while we consider the applicants.
In memory of Geoff Chisholm (1965-2022)
@tiger5150 You are spot on.
That was pathetic coaching yesterday. We hadn't made a 10m hitup all day and with 60 min they roll Seyfarth back out there who proceeds to give away an obstruction penalty which seals the game for NZ. Meantime, Musgrove remains on the bench.
I cant find it now but I am sure I read something over the weekend which was to the effect of 'at least two off-contract players WT have targeted are waiting for the decision on who will be the new coach.'
If that is the case its bloody ridiculous for the club to not acknowledge that. Its important to fill the role quickly so that we can finalise the roster.
What is going on?
PS i suspect one of the players referred to is Nikora. He was rumoured to be re-signing with Cronulla but that story faded when Madge got the boot.
Any ideas on who the other player might be?
@tiger5150 You are spot on.
That was pathetic coaching yesterday. We hadn't made a 10m hitup all day and with 60 min they roll Seyfarth back out there who proceeds to give away an obstruction penalty which seals the game for NZ. Meantime, Musgrove remains on the bench.
I cant find it now but I am sure I read something over the weekend which was to the effect of 'at least two off-contract players WT have targeted are waiting for the decision on who will be the new coach.'
If that is the case its bloody ridiculous for the club to not acknowledge that. Its important to fill the role quickly so that we can finalise the roster.
What is going on?
PS i suspect one of the players referred to is Nikora. He was rumoured to be re-signing with Cronulla but that story faded when Madge got the boot.
Any ideas on who the other player might be?
I dont have any info at all but would guess it might be Dykes?
@tiger5150 You are spot on.
That was pathetic coaching yesterday. We hadn't made a 10m hitup all day and with 60 min they roll Seyfarth back out there who proceeds to give away an obstruction penalty which seals the game for NZ. Meantime, Musgrove remains on the bench.
I cant find it now but I am sure I read something over the weekend which was to the effect of 'at least two off-contract players WT have targeted are waiting for the decision on who will be the new coach.'
If that is the case its bloody ridiculous for the club to not acknowledge that. Its important to fill the role quickly so that we can finalise the roster.
What is going on?
PS i suspect one of the players referred to is Nikora. He was rumoured to be re-signing with Cronulla but that story faded when Madge got the boot.
Any ideas on who the other player might be?
Need to make the right choice though, we have to get this decision right.
In memory of Geoff Chisholm (1965-2022)
@tiger5150 You are spot on.
That was pathetic coaching yesterday. We hadn't made a 10m hitup all day and with 60 min they roll Seyfarth back out there who proceeds to give away an obstruction penalty which seals the game for NZ. Meantime, Musgrove remains on the bench.
I cant find it now but I am sure I read something over the weekend which was to the effect of 'at least two off-contract players WT have targeted are waiting for the decision on who will be the new coach.'
If that is the case its bloody ridiculous for the club to not acknowledge that. Its important to fill the role quickly so that we can finalise the roster.
What is going on?
PS i suspect one of the players referred to is Nikora. He was rumoured to be re-signing with Cronulla but that story faded when Madge got the boot.
Any ideas on who the other player might be?
Need to make the right choice though, we have to get this decision right.
I reckon there is a lot more to it than that. If you think about it, they would know their main targets, be it Morris, Flanagan or whoever. Get them in, talk to them discuss plans and philosophies, discuss period and $$$ and you are done.
If you have actually quality options, its a straightforward process, its when the quality options disappear that you start to have problems and it takes longer. Im afraid I cant see any other reason for it. If it drags out another week, I think we are in real trouble.
@garry I can understand that given how important this decision will be for the future of the club. It's a double edge sword though as the longer we wait the less time we'll have to make our signings for next year. It's a difficult situation.
@tiger5150 You are spot on.
That was pathetic coaching yesterday. We hadn't made a 10m hitup all day and with 60 min they roll Seyfarth back out there who proceeds to give away an obstruction penalty which seals the game for NZ. Meantime, Musgrove remains on the bench.
I cant find it now but I am sure I read something over the weekend which was to the effect of 'at least two off-contract players WT have targeted are waiting for the decision on who will be the new coach.'
If that is the case its bloody ridiculous for the club to not acknowledge that. Its important to fill the role quickly so that we can finalise the roster.
What is going on?
PS i suspect one of the players referred to is Nikora. He was rumoured to be re-signing with Cronulla but that story faded when Madge got the boot.
Any ideas on who the other player might be?
Need to make the right choice though, we have to get this decision right.
I reckon there is a lot more to it than that. If you think about it, they would know their main targets, be it Morris, Flanagan or whoever. Get them in, talk to them discuss plans and philosophies, discuss period and $$$ and you are done.
If you have actually quality options, its a straightforward process, its when the quality options disappear that you start to have problems and it takes longer. Im afraid I cant see any other reason for it. If it drags out another week, I think we are in real trouble.
I'm just speculating but it could be that they are looking at a broad range of options which is why it's taking so long. As you say if it was just two or three candidates it could be wrapped up pretty quickly.
@tiger5150 You are spot on.
That was pathetic coaching yesterday. We hadn't made a 10m hitup all day and with 60 min they roll Seyfarth back out there who proceeds to give away an obstruction penalty which seals the game for NZ. Meantime, Musgrove remains on the bench.
I cant find it now but I am sure I read something over the weekend which was to the effect of 'at least two off-contract players WT have targeted are waiting for the decision on who will be the new coach.'
If that is the case its bloody ridiculous for the club to not acknowledge that. Its important to fill the role quickly so that we can finalise the roster.
What is going on?
PS i suspect one of the players referred to is Nikora. He was rumoured to be re-signing with Cronulla but that story faded when Madge got the boot.
Any ideas on who the other player might be?
Need to make the right choice though, we have to get this decision right.
I reckon there is a lot more to it than that. If you think about it, they would know their main targets, be it Morris, Flanagan or whoever. Get them in, talk to them discuss plans and philosophies, discuss period and $$$ and you are done.
If you have actually quality options, its a straightforward process, its when the quality options disappear that you start to have problems and it takes longer. Im afraid I cant see any other reason for it. If it drags out another week, I think we are in real trouble.
I'm just speculating but it could be that they are looking at a broad range of options which is why it's taking so long. As you say if it was just two or three candidates it could be wrapped up pretty quickly.
Everything I have been told by multiple people is that they haven't spoken to anyone since Ciraldo.
In memory of Geoff Chisholm (1965-2022)
@tiger5150 You are spot on.
That was pathetic coaching yesterday. We hadn't made a 10m hitup all day and with 60 min they roll Seyfarth back out there who proceeds to give away an obstruction penalty which seals the game for NZ. Meantime, Musgrove remains on the bench.
I cant find it now but I am sure I read something over the weekend which was to the effect of 'at least two off-contract players WT have targeted are waiting for the decision on who will be the new coach.'
If that is the case its bloody ridiculous for the club to not acknowledge that. Its important to fill the role quickly so that we can finalise the roster.
What is going on?
PS i suspect one of the players referred to is Nikora. He was rumoured to be re-signing with Cronulla but that story faded when Madge got the boot.
Any ideas on who the other player might be?
Need to make the right choice though, we have to get this decision right.
I reckon there is a lot more to it than that. If you think about it, they would know their main targets, be it Morris, Flanagan or whoever. Get them in, talk to them discuss plans and philosophies, discuss period and $$$ and you are done.
If you have actually quality options, its a straightforward process, its when the quality options disappear that you start to have problems and it takes longer. Im afraid I cant see any other reason for it. If it drags out another week, I think we are in real trouble.
I'm just speculating but it could be that they are looking at a broad range of options which is why it's taking so long. As you say if it was just two or three candidates it could be wrapped up pretty quickly.
Everything I have been told by multiple people is that they haven't spoken to anyone since Ciraldo.
Sounds like they're working from a very long list that they are slowly culling until they get down to the few they want to interview.
I reckon there is a lot more to it than that. If you think about it, they would know their main targets, be it Morris, Flanagan or whoever.
I never followed what Cronulla were doing but did Morris play under Flanagan? Maybe consider them as coach/assistant.
@tiger5150 You are spot on.
That was pathetic coaching yesterday. We hadn't made a 10m hitup all day and with 60 min they roll Seyfarth back out there who proceeds to give away an obstruction penalty which seals the game for NZ. Meantime, Musgrove remains on the bench.
I cant find it now but I am sure I read something over the weekend which was to the effect of 'at least two off-contract players WT have targeted are waiting for the decision on who will be the new coach.'
If that is the case its bloody ridiculous for the club to not acknowledge that. Its important to fill the role quickly so that we can finalise the roster.
What is going on?
PS i suspect one of the players referred to is Nikora. He was rumoured to be re-signing with Cronulla but that story faded when Madge got the boot.
Any ideas on who the other player might be?
Need to make the right choice though, we have to get this decision right.
I reckon there is a lot more to it than that. If you think about it, they would know their main targets, be it Morris, Flanagan or whoever. Get them in, talk to them discuss plans and philosophies, discuss period and $$$ and you are done.
If you have actually quality options, its a straightforward process, its when the quality options disappear that you start to have problems and it takes longer. Im afraid I cant see any other reason for it. If it drags out another week, I think we are in real trouble.
I'm just speculating but it could be that they are looking at a broad range of options which is why it's taking so long. As you say if it was just two or three candidates it could be wrapped up pretty quickly.
Everything I have been told by multiple people is that they haven't spoken to anyone since Ciraldo.
Sounds like they're working from a very long list that they are slowly culling until they get down to the few they want to interview.
I think so as well, Tim also said yesterday that he didn't want to go down a list and just offering to people.
In memory of Geoff Chisholm (1965-2022)
@tiger5150 You are spot on.
That was pathetic coaching yesterday. We hadn't made a 10m hitup all day and with 60 min they roll Seyfarth back out there who proceeds to give away an obstruction penalty which seals the game for NZ. Meantime, Musgrove remains on the bench.
I cant find it now but I am sure I read something over the weekend which was to the effect of 'at least two off-contract players WT have targeted are waiting for the decision on who will be the new coach.'
If that is the case its bloody ridiculous for the club to not acknowledge that. Its important to fill the role quickly so that we can finalise the roster.
What is going on?
PS i suspect one of the players referred to is Nikora. He was rumoured to be re-signing with Cronulla but that story faded when Madge got the boot.
Any ideas on who the other player might be?
Need to make the right choice though, we have to get this decision right.
I reckon there is a lot more to it than that. If you think about it, they would know their main targets, be it Morris, Flanagan or whoever. Get them in, talk to them discuss plans and philosophies, discuss period and $$$ and you are done.
If you have actually quality options, its a straightforward process, its when the quality options disappear that you start to have problems and it takes longer. Im afraid I cant see any other reason for it. If it drags out another week, I think we are in real trouble.
I'm just speculating but it could be that they are looking at a broad range of options which is why it's taking so long. As you say if it was just two or three candidates it could be wrapped up pretty quickly.
Everything I have been told by multiple people is that they haven't spoken to anyone since Ciraldo.
That scares the hell out of me. Despite the point many have made here that we need to set about finalising/fixing our roster, there are two other clubs right now (likely to be 4-5 at the end of the season) looking for a new coach. Do we just sit on our hands and sift through what is left after everyone else takes their pick?
@tiger5150 prepare to be even more scared as the DT is reporting we (and the Warriors) are considering Andrew Webster for the gig.
New Zealand Warriors circle Penrith Panthers assistant to take over from Nathan Brown
Cameron Ciraldo has generated all the headlines at Penrith but it looks like another assistant coach could make the move to becoming a head coach first.
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Penrith’s coaching staff is under renewed attack after it emerged assistant Andrew Webster is the leading candidate to land the Warriors job while also on the radar of the Wests Tigers — two clubs where he has previously worked.
Webster, coached the Tigers to two matches in 2017 after Jason Taylor was sacked and before Nathan Cleary arrived at the club, has been the mastermind behind the Panthers’ exhilarating attack and it is understood he has caught the eye of Warriors powerbrokers after their failed bid to sign St Helens coach Kristian Woolf.
Webster is strongly being considered as a potential Warriors option and has close ties to the club having worked as Andrew McFadden’s assistant coach in 2015. He spent two years at the Warriors before returning to the Tigers as Taylor’s assistant.
The Warriors have decided they want an emerging coach and look set to move on Webster. They may face stiff competition from the Tigers though.
It is understood Webster is also on a list of coaches being in the mix by Tigers, where he would potentially work alongside head of football Tim Sheens.
Support is growing for Sheens to take a more hands-on role in coaching the side next season, potentially as a mentor and sounding board to a younger coach who would take over down the track.
It is the same model the Dolphins are using as their design a succession plan for when Wayne Bennett stands down in two years.
Webster has strong ties to the Tigers as a former lower grade player and a long-term member of the coaching staff having progressed through the junior ranks into the top job,
He also has a longstanding relationship to Sheens — his brother James was Sheens’ assistant at Hull KR.
While much of the attention has focused on Ciraldo it seems Webster may be more likely to take on a top job elsewhere.
The Tigers were forced to re-evaluate their coaching plans when Ciraldo opted to reject their overtures, turning his back on the security of a five-year deal.
He is expected to remain at Penrith, although Canterbury are also interested in his services and rumours have emerged in recent days of Parramatta keeping a watch on his situation.
It is understood Webster has a season to go on his Panthers deal but will be free to pursue a head coaching position elsewhere.
Webster played for Five Dock RSL as a junior before joining the Balmain Tigers in 1998, where he spent four seasons for their SG Ball and Jersey Flegg teams.
After a stint coaching in England, he returned to Australia as head coach of the Balmain Tigers SG Ball team and an assistant to the under 20s,
Under his charge, Balmain won the SG Ball Cup for the first time in 30 years and went on to win the under-18 national title against the Townsville Stingers.
Webster left for Parramatta but returned to the Tigers in 2014 as head coach of their under 20s, winning 16 games and reaching the finals.
The Warriors went hard after Woolf, with owner Mark Robinson personally meeting the St Helens coach during a recent trip to England.
However, he was unable to convince Woolf to replace Nathan Brown. Woolf instead appears likely to accept a job as Bennett’s assistant with a view to replacing the seven-time premiership winner in a couple of years.
The Warriors want Webster to step into the void but he could have a decision to make if the Tigers crystallise their interest in him. Tigers legend Benji Marshall backed Sheens to play a prominent role in coaching the side and Webster has emerged as a serious candidate to work alongside the man who led the club to the 2015 premiership.
Webster, John Morris and interim Brett Kimmorley are among those being discussed by the Tigers.
