Mr Creepy Crawley at it again doing his level best to destabilise and create a furore around Wests Tigers.This guy dines out on negativity,innuendo and muck-raking.He was at the coal face during our troubles with Madge going in hard with the hobnail boots and blaring forth about the greatest basket-case that is the WTs.He ripped hard on the Centre of Excellence cockup and has attacked,ridiculed and laughed at all and sundry on and off the field.
You’ll notice that his article is nothing more than a hatchet job à la mode FOX/Murdoch.No quotation marks,nothing from the horse’s mouth,just the same cowardly,repetitive and unaccountable guff that the likes of Buzz,Kenty and Hoops have perfected over the years.Please flush!!
I agree with everything you have said TS, but it is also true that the Tigers have handed the media the hatchet to bash us with. The way Fulton was appointed was ridiculous and will be ridiculed. The way that Pascoe & Lee treated Sheens and Benji was terrible and can only be justified with significant successful recruitment of quality personnel, which to date has not happened, exactly the opposite.
I am strongly of the opinion that if Fulton does not deliver Fainu (at a minimum) on a plate to the Tigers, then Fulton, Pascoe & Lee should be shown the door.
It is one thing to correctly say that the media "has it in for us" which is true, but it is an entirely other thing for Pascoe & Lee to prove them right.
Are you so sure that consulting Sheens before hiring a new recruitment manager was a better move? Are we sure that Sheens would not have attempted to block the move?
If we are in the habit of engaging in speculation, then why would Sheens be supportive of bringing in a guy to replace his preferred Head of Recruitment? And would not Sheens have been similarly defensive about his success rate in signing top-tier backs? For all we know Tigers consult Sheens, he says don't do it, they go over his head anyway, word leaks out, and we have a different but still entirely negative story about how Sheens was over-ruled (with the same outcomes - they report he is upset and considering quitting).
The stuff you say about delivering Fainu - that's a total over-reaction. I wasn't there are the interview but if we judge Scott Fulton on 6 weeks of recruitment work then we are making a grave mistake. It's not like Tigers were a dream destination before Fulton joined the club, so by what mechanism would he change that in 1.5 months? Fulton needs the same decent time to ply his craft, same as was afforded to Madge and now Sheens.
He's 100% right though.Mr Creepy Crawley at it again doing his level best to destabilise and create a furore around Wests Tigers.This guy dines out on negativity,innuendo and muck-raking.He was at the coal face during our troubles with Madge going in hard with the hobnail boots and blaring forth about the greatest basket-case that is the WTs.He ripped hard on the Centre of Excellence cockup and has attacked,ridiculed and laughed at all and sundry on and off the field.
You’ll notice that his article is nothing more than a hatchet job à la mode FOX/Murdoch.No quotation marks,nothing from the horse’s mouth,just the same cowardly,repetitive and unaccountable guff that the likes of Buzz,Kenty and Hoops have perfected over the years.Please flush!!
No he's not. He's 95% speculative.
Nobody at Tigers has said anything about a rift and he's assuming to be upset on behalf of some Tigers staff. Don't you find it weird that he starts the article outlining how consistently Tigers lack success, then starts to assume to be upset on behalf of people directly involved in that lack of success?
It's all well and good to point the finger at Lee and Pascoe, but you also need to share some finger-pointing for Sheens, who has overseen both directly and indirectly two diabolical seasons that could well end up in 2 wooden spoons. So it may in fact be that bringing in Fulton, by any mechanism, is a good move. It may be that consulting Sheens first would have resulted in politicking or a blocking play and Fulton may have been missed out.
For all the talk of failing to get deals done, funnily enough, the signing of Scott Fulton was done very quickly and decisively. Isn't that what fans have been asking for?
My god what a load of hot garbage. Seriously. Just let Lee and Justin take the L and move on.
@tiger5150 Crawley leads his article with,‘Rumblings of unrest’,and ‘Simmering Bad Blood’,and then,’Will Benji Walk?’.My sole gripe is that this is pure speculation Crawley is framing as fact. A journalist worth his salt will delve a lot deeper than his stilted insinuations and provide substance rather than aerated fluff.
Good read.Fulton needs the same decent time to ply his craft, same as was afforded to Madge and now Sheens.
Mr Creepy Crawley at it again doing his level best to destabilise and create a furore around Wests Tigers.This guy dines out on negativity,innuendo and muck-raking.He was at the coal face during our troubles with Madge going in hard with the hobnail boots and blaring forth about the greatest basket-case that is the WTs.He ripped hard on the Centre of Excellence cockup and has attacked,ridiculed and laughed at all and sundry on and off the field.
You’ll notice that his article is nothing more than a hatchet job à la mode FOX/Murdoch.No quotation marks,nothing from the horse’s mouth,just the same cowardly,repetitive and unaccountable guff that the likes of Buzz,Kenty and Hoops have perfected over the years.Please flush!!
I agree with everything you have said TS, but it is also true that the Tigers have handed the media the hatchet to bash us with. The way Fulton was appointed was ridiculous and will be ridiculed. The way that Pascoe & Lee treated Sheens and Benji was terrible and can only be justified with significant successful recruitment of quality personnel, which to date has not happened, exactly the opposite.
I am strongly of the opinion that if Fulton does not deliver Fainu (at a minimum) on a plate to the Tigers, then Fulton, Pascoe & Lee should be shown the door.
It is one thing to correctly say that the media "has it in for us" which is true, but it is an entirely other thing for Pascoe & Lee to prove them right.
Are you so sure that consulting Sheens before hiring a new recruitment manager was a better move? Are we sure that Sheens would not have attempted to block the move?
If we are in the habit of engaging in speculation, then why would Sheens be supportive of bringing in a guy to replace his preferred Head of Recruitment? And would not Sheens have been similarly defensive about his success rate in signing top-tier backs? For all we know Tigers consult Sheens, he says don't do it, they go over his head anyway, word leaks out, and we have a different but still entirely negative story about how Sheens was over-ruled (with the same outcomes - they report he is upset and considering quitting).
The stuff you say about delivering Fainu - that's a total over-reaction. I wasn't there are the interview but if we judge Scott Fulton on 6 weeks of recruitment work then we are making a grave mistake. It's not like Tigers were a dream destination before Fulton joined the club, so by what mechanism would he change that in 1.5 months? Fulton needs the same decent time to ply his craft, same as was afforded to Madge and now Sheens.
I can follow your logic with regards not consulting Sheens and for the purposes of the discussion, lets say it was a sound idea (arguable). By its definition (not consulting/secret because Sheens would disagree) it is unavoidable that it is going to cause conflict with the coach of the team. That is unavoidable and unarguable. Are we in such a strong position on and off the field that we can intentionally disrupt trust between management and the coach?
I get your argument and the logic behind it, but ultimately its a consideration of whether the intentional disruption of trust is worth it and a good idea. What is the payoff? That is why the pressure is and should be on fulton because otherwise it is all negative disruption with no payoff and that is madness, particularly at our fragile state.
Management (pascoe and lee by their own statements) have made a massive decision with this and IMO they should be judged on the results. Easy to argue that 6 weeks isnt a long time, but Fainu is available now and wont be in 2 months. Fulton has everything supposedly in his favour to make this deal and if he doesnt, I fear for future deals. If we dont go into 2024 preseason with two decent halves, then it is a failure and Pascoe & Lee should be judged on it.
@tiger5150 Crawley leads his article with,‘Rumblings of unrest’,and ‘Simmering Bad Blood’,and then,’Will Benji Walk?’.My sole gripe is that this is pure speculation Crawley is framing as fact. A journalist worth his salt will delve a lot deeper than his stilted insinuations and provide substance rather than aerated fluff.
This is the same outfit that brought us the completely broken down relationship of Benji and Robbie that was kept on “simmer”for years but was absolute BS. Crawley is stirring the pot and in quest of clicks.
Thats fine, Im not defending Crawley who is a hack journalist. My point is that whilst his article might be largely speculation, it is speculation based on fact. Pascoe & Lee DID (by their own admission) go behind their coach's back to appoint someone to replace someone that the coach appointed. That is a fact. Now you could argue like Jirskyr has above that this was a good idea, but it is a fact and by its definition it does disrupt the trust between management and the coaching staff so then the question is, is the pay off worth the disruption to the harmony in the club? Time will tell but IMO we are running out of time and at present it is heading in a very concerning direction.
Again IMO to make the disruption worth it, at a minimum Fulton has to deliver L Fainu.
Fulton needs the same decent time to ply his craft, same as was afforded to Madge and now Sheens.
Fulton does not have that time. In 126 days Wests Tigers commence their preseason with zero healthy contracted halves. Not one, although Im sure if we asked nicely Wakeham and Will Smith would hang around. Fulton does not have time. That is not his fault, that is Pascoe and Lee's fault 100%. Doesnt matter, Fulton needs to perform, now otherwise the club will live with the consequences of their decisions.
@jirskyr I agree totally IMO the Fulton signing is a deliberate ploy to finally shake the COE to its foundations and not before time . I am not a Sheens fan and begged the club to sack him well and truely before he was last time around. His appointment this time around has been a disaster a better roster / better facilities etc then came the spoon for the first time under his leadership now could well be another this season under his coaching . I find it hard to understand the fuss around Fultons appointment regardless of who was told .. I get the impression this had to be done quickly so involving Sheens it would never of happened , to be frank if Sheens nose is out of joint please do us a favour and leave as watching this poorly coach team week after week is depressing! Fulton will be judged on what he delivers .Sheens can be judged on what he hasn’t.
@tiger5150 Have faith I know where your coming from ,I get that feeling but I will put my confidence in the new guy as the regurgitated part of the organisation is just not up to it .. change has happened Brooks has gone a new recruitment guy that by all accounts is good at what he does has arrived , Rome was not built in a day . I for one will give him time to get his hands dirty .I am pretty positive about what has developed a new dawn just might be around the corner!
@tiger5150 Have faith I know where your coming from ,I get that feeling but I will put my confidence in the new guy as the regurgitated part of the organisation is just not up to it .. change has happened Brooks has gone a new recruitment guy that by all accounts is good at what he does has arrived , Rome was not built in a day . I for one will give him time to get his hands dirty .I am pretty positive about what has developed a new dawn just might be around the corner!
if Fulton misses his target in Fainu given his manly connections, then he should be punted him along with Lee and Justin
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@tiger5150 Have faith I know where your coming from ,I get that feeling but I will put my confidence in the new guy as the regurgitated part of the organisation is just not up to it .. change has happened Brooks has gone a new recruitment guy that by all accounts is good at what he does has arrived , Rome was not built in a day . I for one will give him time to get his hands dirty .I am pretty positive about what has developed a new dawn just might be around the corner!
if Fulton misses his target in Fainu given his manly connections, then he should be punted him along with Lee and Justin
so we’re hiring a bloke for what 2 months….
@tiger5150 Have faith I know where your coming from ,I get that feeling but I will put my confidence in the new guy as the regurgitated part of the organisation is just not up to it .. change has happened Brooks has gone a new recruitment guy that by all accounts is good at what he does has arrived , Rome was not built in a day . I for one will give him time to get his hands dirty .I am pretty positive about what has developed a new dawn just might be around the corner!
if Fulton misses his target in Fainu given his manly connections, then he should be punted him along with Lee and Justin
so we’re hiring a bloke for what 2 months….
yes it's a bad Miss if we dont get him and the other two bozos hired him without consulting with sheens or benji, likely on the proviso we are able to land Fainu so yes if it doesn't happen and Wayne beats us to it then yes punt fulton
