@mercy-rule Maguire was there for 3.5 years. The position we found ourselves in was due to him. The error from Sheens was waiting until mid season - he should have been fired much earlier.
At the end of the day, this club has made finals THREE times in now TWENTY FOUR years.
Each time the ploblems have been blamed on the coach:
- Junior
- Lamb
- Sheens
- Potter
- Taylor
- Cleary
- Madge
- and now Sheens again
If you step back you'll see, our problems has to be more than the coach.
I know the board has had the lives over that time with the Wests/Balmain, Independents and now WA. But the same issues have run through the whole time.
We are unprofessionally and amateurishly run at Board and CEO levels. And this does down throughout the club.
I can't believe I'm saying this (as a socialist leaning, kumbaya kind of guy) but we need a PVL type of leader at Chairman, which can take this club by the scruff of the neck, pull everyone in line, and make the tough calls to set us up for success.
If not, we'll keep getting the same results until no one cares anymore
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Chammas saying he's stepping back at the end of the year.
The Wests Tigers are set to fast-track Benji Marshall’s ascension to the head coaching role in time for the start of the 2024 pre-season.
While Tim Sheens will remain the head coach in name, the club has mapped out a plan for Marshall to assume his responsibilities when the team returns for pre-season training in November.
Would be nice if we could go for one f-ing day without something leaking from the club.
The blame for this debacle sits squarely with Wests Ashfield. As the owner of the football club they make the ultimate decisions about how it’s run and by whom. We will forever be a losing club whilst we are owned by wests Ashfield
If they sold it, Lee would probably be first in line to buy the club.
In memory of Geoff Chisholm (1965-2022)
Don’t know whether this has been thought of or what …. But how about our defensive coach takes over the rest of this season and next. And Tim goes back to his original post. Thoughts anyone
Keep steering the right path
Don’t know whether this has been thought of or what …. But how about our defensive coach takes over the rest of this season and next. And Tim goes back to his original post. Thoughts anyone
Furness coaching record at Canberra and the SL was not great no thanks, we should just give it to Marshall and let Sheens go back to his original post
His most recent post was assistant to the late Paul Green at the cowboys when they won in ‘15. Not that I care what this rabble do, just saying.Don’t know whether this has been thought of or what …. But how about our defensive coach takes over the rest of this season and next. And Tim goes back to his original post. Thoughts anyone
Furness coaching record at Canberra and the SL was not great no thanks, we should just give it to Marshall and let Sheens go back to his original post
Keep steering the right path
Chammas saying he's stepping back at the end of the year.
The Wests Tigers are set to fast-track Benji Marshall’s ascension to the head coaching role in time for the start of the 2024 pre-season.
While Tim Sheens will remain the head coach in name, the club has mapped out a plan for Marshall to assume his responsibilities when the team returns for pre-season training in November.
Would be nice if we could go for one f-ing day without something leaking from the club.
this article makes me so mad. This was leaked by Pascoe/Lee to try and deflect from yesterdays capitulation. It’s a nothing story, everyone knows Marshall is doing most of the work, it’s been that way all year. If these imbeciles have any self respect they’ll leave. They’re a cancer on the club.
we need a PVL type of leader at Chairman
I wish we had convinced Coates to do the job last time. That guy knows how to kick heads
Interesting we have both a "Sack Sheens" and "Sack Lee / Justin" thread... maybe Benji will in fact be the only one left standing.
I mean, objectively I feel we were playing better under sheens. Until the first bye we had great meters and dominated but couldn’t convert in the red zone - a lot of tight losses. Between byes we played great, 3 wins culminating in the LO cowboys rout. Then the bye, Joffa punted, Fulton recruited without telling coaching staff, Lee and Pascoe produce a podcast about how great they are and we have fallen apart.
Absolutely spot on mate. I just can't get my head around actively seeking out a 72 year old ex coach on the other side of the world to fix your problems, to then go behind his back and exclude him from having the final say over the very things you recruited him to look after.
Every single thing at this club has been turned over in the last decade except for the Management of the club. Even the most stupid of people could surely see now, the problem is higher than the players/coaches. It always has been.
I will say it until I am blue in the face, go ahead, sack the whole football department, do a player cleanout and start again, but the results will be exactly the same until changes are made at the top of the tree. If some of those guys love the club as much as they claim, they should do the right thing and resign first thing tomorrow morning.
Agree with you guys... It's a "be careful what you wish for" type situation for sure!
The administration, bereft of ideas and in a desperate move and with all the signs of a knee-jerk reaction, took advice from a journalist and agreed to promote Sheens from a management role he is probably able to do without too much drama and instead gave him more authority as head coach. They even agreed for him to have McDonell by his side!
Everyone knows that the biggest issue with Sheens is he wants total control and whether or not he achieves it this desire always ends up bringing things undone. What were they expecting? That a 70yo was going to change his ways? Dreaming!
This administration has proven themselves to be buffoons when it comes to managing a football club. The place leaks like a sieve. Our business is played out in the media like a poor man's version of Days of Our Lives. We're crippled from shooting ourselves in the foot so many times that our reputation is at an all-time low both on and off the field. It's going to take some big money to turn this around. Sheens is a problem, yes, but probably a necessary evil right now (we must consider the players welfare) and he is nowhere near our biggest problem.
Wests Ashfield need to wake up and make wholesale changes to the board and seek the absolute best replacements for Lee and JP. At least they have the coin to do it. How about they actually treat this club like a business instead of a plaything? All the best clubs have very good governance, it's a glaring difference between us and them.
Not a bad article.
Losing a game of rugby league is one thing, yet vastly different to turning up your toes, not competing and waving the white flag to an opposition.
That is precisely what the Wests Tigers did against the Cowboys last Saturday, in one of the most insipid and disgraceful modern NRL performances. Frankly, it was a shameful farce and an insult to the paying members of the club and the fans who essentially flushed their money down the toilet by bothering to turn up.
NRL squads are far from even when it comes to talent and there are plenty of Tigers that would struggle to earn a starting spot at other clubs, yet effort, pride in performance and professionalism as an athlete are simply non-negotiable expectations.
During the 74-0 loss, Wests coach Tim Sheens received little, if any, of the above and in a performance that was somewhat uncomfortable to watch, his players effectively gave up.
Aside from the 31st minute sin-binning of Alex Twal, there were no unusual events or considerations to excuse what played out, with a Cowboys try occurring at an average of one every six minutes.
Yes, the Tigers are outclassed across the park by North Queensland and sometimes tries can be racked up late as fatigue grows and scorelines balloon, however the obvious lack of commitment set in almost immediately and a 42-0 deficit at the half-time break suggests Wests were not interested right from the very start.
The level to which a team is switched on is most accurately reflected in defence and 54 missed tackles says pretty much all there is to say about 2023’s worst NRL performance.
A loss is a loss and all teams are well accustomed to dealing with the disappointment, the media and the repercussions for the club as a whole, yet the broader game suffers when a team checks out two thirds of the way through the season.
Simply, the ARL Commission should be asking the Tigers for a please explain. As a spectacle it was an embarrassment to the competition and in a professional environment, that is something that should simply never occur.
However, Wests weren’t the only team embarrassing the game in Round 18. The Bulldogs went close to matching them for effort in a 66-0 loss to Newcastle on Sunday afternoon at Accor Stadium.
In perfect weather and in front of just over 11,000 fans, Canterbury had their loyal supports in a chorus of boos by half-time – down 30-0 to a team sitting just one rung above them on the premiership ladder.
The blue and whites deserved every one of those boos and as first-year coach Cameron Ciraldo sat helplessly in the box watching the Knights romp in 11 tries, the very fabric of what is increasingly looking like a broken club continues to be questioned.
The Bulldogs had a significant injury list earlier in the season, but have plenty of troops back on deck and simply cannot mount an argument that what we saw against Newcastle was anything more than a non-effort that escalated issues evident in their previous two performances.
Canterbury conceded 34 to the Eels on June 12, 48 to the Sharks away from home a week later, enjoyed the bye and then succumbed meekly to the Knights; 148 points against in three weeks and a monstrous 473 to this point of the season.
I’ve never seen kennel fans more disgusted with a performance as they were last Sunday, on their feet booing, leaving the ground in droves, or commenting comically on social media in the post-game about the joke that their team had become.
It is not nice to observe, but as paying fans, they were well within their rights to do so and essentially, correct.
As fans, we can handle our team losing when the effort is there, yet after 40 years in the game, I’ve learnt that the one thing that grinds the gears of the rugby league faithful the most, is lack of effort.
No matter what the coaches, clubs, players or officials might say, neither the Tigers or Bulldogs turned up to play football last weekend, plain and simple, they did not compete.
I love the sporting analogy that there is trying and ‘really trying’, something both teams will have reflected on in preparation for Round 19. What the Tigers toss up against the Sharks on Thursday night is anyone’s guess and the Dogs meet the Origin-weakened Bunnies on Sunday.
Results aside, let’s hope they actually turn up and have a go.
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Love watching the Warriors - their shape in attack and attitude in defence is eons away from what we've turned in this season. Pretty annoying given there's not much difference in talent levels between the two squads.
Love watching the Warriors - their shape in attack and attitude in defence is eons away from what we've turned in this season. Pretty annoying given there's not much difference in talent levels between the two squads.
Given we won't be in the finals, I'll be cheering on warriors.
It would be great for the game if they won a premiership. NZ and the pacific are so important to the game and its potential is still to be realised.
Plus the sacrifices Warriors made for 3 years to keep the game alive have not been properly acknowledged by the game, clubs and fans
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It’s time Sheens needs to move on immediately… the coaching structure is a total sham watching Farah in the box really what does this guy add to the team in general 3 wins all season there needs to be an experienced assistant there as results have proven it!!!Benjis reputation is being tarnished now with the ineffective way Sheens is coaching he is just going through the motions . Benji needs to make the decision if he wants the coaches job or not and take some real stoke of the situation ,next season will be ground hog day under Sheens and Benji might as well make the decision now . All Sheens is doing is throwing Benji under the bus . Sheens needs to be removed immediately! And Benji needs to take over as I doubt that will be happening moving forward .
