AD will not want peanuts either for his next contract, he probably is looking at North of 700k or 750k
Brooks would be worth 700k Max I think
AD shouldn't be getting 600 even ...seriously ....he isn't a 6 ..he isn't a 1 ...he isn't a 7
I thought he looked really good at 6 last year. He needs to be given time to develop into the position, but injuries haven’t helped. Even so, I think he’s our best 6 currently by a country mile and absolutely worth investing in. I’d pay him $600k every day of the week.
I think AD plays his best football at 6 but doesn't improve the game of those around him.
Fair comment but that is something he can develop in his game.
Also playing next to Hastings would help him in that respect.
Just struggles with footy smarts .....goes for the complicated play when catch draw pass is the smarter and simpler option .....love his running game in the opposition 20 .....
Hastings would need to back off his running game significantly for them to even have a chance to be successful ....teams would load up on both of them
@celtic_tiger 1.5 to 1.7 million to spend on a Burton or Munster or Manu or Brown if you offload Douhie and Brooks.
Douhie is not a 6, he was signed as a fullback remember from souths
Brooks well has not lived up to the hype
Hastings is the 7 you build around with Api at 9
We need to be realistic.
If Munster leaves Melbourne they will be looking for a 6.
It looks like Keary might have retire due to concussion issues so the Roosters will be looking for a 6
The Dolphins are looking for a marquee in any position and have money to splash.
We will not be in the races for any of the above players, the small chance we had was that Cirlado's previous connection with Burton might help bring him to us but that ship has sailed now.
If it was a conversation between AD and Matt Burton I would understand why people would want Doueihi to play centre but if it’s between him and Brooks then the decision should be a simple one. The only reason that it isn’t is because Brooks is on a huge contract. On the merits of both players, Doueihi has shown he’s a better 6.
The other big concern is Douehi is one ACL injury from being a 600 k boat anchor ...not supposed to sound awful ...but thats the case unfortunately
As with every player who plays NRL,your next game can potentially be your last......Taniela Tuiaki,Simon Dwyer,spring to mind,and didn’t that throw us into turmoil given how talented they both were.
@celtic_tiger 1.5 to 1.7 million to spend on a Burton or Munster or Manu or Brown if you offload Douhie and Brooks.
Douhie is not a 6, he was signed as a fullback remember from souths
Brooks well has not lived up to the hype
Hastings is the 7 you build around with Api at 9
Would douhie make the starting 1 or 6 at either south’s or easts where he was previously? I doubt it very much. He is capable of 6 at Wests and our alternatives are limited but compared to a Burton or another genuine 6 he hasn’t shown that he is a top 8 #6 in my view (happy to be proven wrong). The one time we have look threatening in attack this year has been the Hastings/brooks/Laurie right to left sweep play to deliver the overlap on our left. My guess is douhie is too slow to work that particular play. Maybe he can bring other threats but as noted I don’t see him creating enough for those around him to be our long term option IMHO
@celtic_tiger 1.5 to 1.7 million to spend on a Burton or Munster or Manu or Brown if you offload Douhie and Brooks.
Douhie is not a 6, he was signed as a fullback remember from souths
Brooks well has not lived up to the hype
Hastings is the 7 you build around with Api at 9
Would douhie make the starting 1 or 6 at either south’s or easts where he was previously? I doubt it very much. He is capable of 6 at Wests and our alternatives are limited but compared to a Burton or another genuine 6 he hasn’t shown that he is a top 8 #6 in my view (happy to be proven wrong). The one time we have look threatening in attack this year has been the Hastings/brooks/Laurie right to left sweep play to deliver the overlap on our left. My guess is douhie is too slow to work that particular play. Maybe he can bring other threats but as noted I don’t see him creating enough for those around him to be our long term option IMHO
This concerns me as well.
In memory of Geoff Chisholm (1965-2022)
@celtic_tiger 1.5 to 1.7 million to spend on a Burton or Munster or Manu or Brown if you offload Douhie and Brooks.
Douhie is not a 6, he was signed as a fullback remember from souths
Brooks well has not lived up to the hype
Hastings is the 7 you build around with Api at 9
Would douhie make the starting 1 or 6 at either south’s or easts where he was previously? I doubt it very much. He is capable of 6 at Wests and our alternatives are limited but compared to a Burton or another genuine 6 he hasn’t shown that he is a top 8 #6 in my view (happy to be proven wrong). The one time we have look threatening in attack this year has been the Hastings/brooks/Laurie right to left sweep play to deliver the overlap on our left. My guess is douhie is too slow to work that particular play. Maybe he can bring other threats but as noted I don’t see him creating enough for those around him to be our long term option IMHO
How many of our players would make the south’s or easts starting lineup? Zero
@celtic_tiger 1.5 to 1.7 million to spend on a Burton or Munster or Manu or Brown if you offload Douhie and Brooks.
Douhie is not a 6, he was signed as a fullback remember from souths
Brooks well has not lived up to the hype
Hastings is the 7 you build around with Api at 9
Would douhie make the starting 1 or 6 at either south’s or easts where he was previously? I doubt it very much. He is capable of 6 at Wests and our alternatives are limited but compared to a Burton or another genuine 6 he hasn’t shown that he is a top 8 #6 in my view (happy to be proven wrong). The one time we have look threatening in attack this year has been the Hastings/brooks/Laurie right to left sweep play to deliver the overlap on our left. My guess is douhie is too slow to work that particular play. Maybe he can bring other threats but as noted I don’t see him creating enough for those around him to be our long term option IMHO
The truth of the matter is that not one of our current first grade side would start for Souths or Easts, maybe you could make an argument for Hastings but I doubt it.
The question we should be asking ourselves is what AD's ceiling is and after part of one season playing there we can't make that call yet.
IMHO he deserves a chance playing next to a competent half back before we make that decision.
Douhie is not a 6, he was signed as a fullback remember from souths
This is key for me although often overlooked.
We buy players for a position and when they don't work out we try to manufacture them into something they're not. I really like AD; I think he's good player with a genuine passion for the club but if he doesn't play fullback we've failed both him and the team. We're now left trying to accomodate someone who 'failed' in their chosen position. Now he's saying he's not a fullback he's a 6??
AD was already too slow to pair with Hastings and I don't see it improving after a second ACL. He either plays a position to the benefit of the team or moves on. For mine if he can't compete in the position for which he was signed he's now a utility.
The club fails because we won't make hard decisions and have historically let the players dictate terms. It's been long enough - it's time to HTFU.
Just struggles with footy smarts .....goes for the complicated play when catch draw pass is the smarter and simpler option .....love his running game in the opposition 20
I agree with this.
His footy smarts aren't great and as someone said elsewhere, he seems to pre-meditate moves which leads to poor decisions - like the repetitive long balls to Nofo when they're not on or when he runs straight and hard but blinkered to players in a better position.
He has the making of a good, perhaps even elite, centre. Ala Rowdy in his prime.
Just struggles with footy smarts .....goes for the complicated play when catch draw pass is the smarter and simpler option .....love his running game in the opposition 20
I agree with this.
His footy smarts aren't great and as someone said elsewhere, he seems to pre-meditate moves which leads to poor decisions - like the repetitive long balls to Nofo when they're not on or when he runs straight and hard but blinkered to players in a better position.
He has the making of a good, perhaps even elite, centre. Ala Rowdy in his prime.
I believe before Adam is devalued and derided it might be a good idea for people to allow him some game time before writing him off.He’s shown his talent wherever and whenever he’s played,going back to his Lebanon debut.Let him find his feet after his rehab and allow him to grow.He doesn’t deserve negation after barely 15 minutes game time.
Douhie is not a 6, he was signed as a fullback remember from souths
This is key for me although often overlooked.
We buy players for a position and when they don't work out we try to manufacture them into something they're not. I really like AD; I think he's good player with a genuine passion for the club but if he doesn't play fullback we've failed both him and the team. We're now left trying to accomodate someone who 'failed' in their chosen position. Now he's saying he's not a fullback he's a 6??
AD was already too slow to pair with Hastings and I don't see it improving after a second ACL. He either plays a position to the benefit of the team or moves on. For mine if he can't compete in the position for which he was signed he's now a utility.
The club fails because we won't make hard decisions and have historically let the players dictate terms. It's been long enough - it's time to HTFU.
This.
by all means given him an opportunity at 6 with Hastings at 7. If he is what the coach wants then great, but as much I love ADs passion for the club I don’t like his statements in the press that he “wants to play in the halves”. By all means fight for your spot and have a competitive mindset but the coach should be the one to pick the team and litigating this in the press is not good for the coach, team or club. If the coach wants you to play in the centres and another team wants you as a 6 then sign with that club at the end of your contract but when employed by this club, you should be doing what the coach wants. That is the mindset and culture that all our players should have
I believe before Adam is devalued and derided it might be a good idea for people to allow him some game time before writing him off
I'm not devaluing or writing him off. What I'm saying is we signed him as a fullback (on fullback money) and he was poor. Now we have to 'find' a position for him. My personal opinion is he doesn't have the build/speed/skill set to be a good 6 so that leaves centre, forwards or utility. If he was a natural 6 we wouldn't be having this discussion.
If he plays 6 and goes well I'm happy for him to play there - I just don't see it happening unless he significantly changes his style. He may have moments, but we need a Munster type player who's a whole game, every game star. He wasn't the most mobile player to start with and he'll be less so now I suspect.
If it was a conversation between AD and Matt Burton I would understand why people would want Doueihi to play centre but if it’s between him and Brooks then the decision should be a simple one. The only reason that it isn’t is because Brooks is on a huge contract. On the merits of both players, Doueihi has shown he’s a better 6.
The other big concern is Douehi is one ACL injury from being a 600 k boat anchor ...not supposed to sound awful ...but thats the case unfortunately
As with every player who plays NRL,your next game can potentially be your last......Taniela Tuiaki,Simon Dwyer,spring to mind,and didn’t that throw us into turmoil given how talented they both were.
Especially Dwyer ...that superstar second rower we craved ..would have killed for
I believe before Adam is devalued and derided it might be a good idea for people to allow him some game time before writing him off
I'm not devaluing or writing him off. What I'm saying is we signed him as a fullback (on fullback money) and he was poor. Now we have to 'find' a position for him. My personal opinion is he doesn't have the build/speed/skill set to be a good 6 so that leaves centre, forwards or utility. If he was a natural 6 we wouldn't be having this discussion.
If he plays 6 and goes well I'm happy for him to play there - I just don't see it happening unless he significantly changes his style. He may have moments, but we need a Munster type player who's a whole game, every game star. He wasn't the most mobile player to start with and he'll be less so now I suspect.
Totaaly agree VoR love his running game ....love his spirals ...love his passion for the club ...but think his best position is centre and we can't be paying 700-800 k for a centre who isn't at Turbo or Manu levels
And I was the one up in arms when the club left him hobbling around Browne Park In Rocky with a what turned out being ruptured ACL doing post match interviews
@celtic_tiger 1.5 to 1.7 million to spend on a Burton or Munster or Manu or Brown if you offload Douhie and Brooks.
Douhie is not a 6, he was signed as a fullback remember from souths
Brooks well has not lived up to the hype
Hastings is the 7 you build around with Api at 9
Would douhie make the starting 1 or 6 at either south’s or easts where he was previously? I doubt it very much. He is capable of 6 at Wests and our alternatives are limited but compared to a Burton or another genuine 6 he hasn’t shown that he is a top 8 #6 in my view (happy to be proven wrong). The one time we have look threatening in attack this year has been the Hastings/brooks/Laurie right to left sweep play to deliver the overlap on our left. My guess is douhie is too slow to work that particular play. Maybe he can bring other threats but as noted I don’t see him creating enough for those around him to be our long term option IMHO
How many of our players would make the south’s or easts starting lineup? Zero
James Tedesco ...oh you meant current ...let me get back to you .....
