I’m more optimistic with Sheens/Marshall/Farah than the other options, even Ciraldo. Unfortunately for the other coaches in the mix, perceptions of their weaknesses can stick like mud, even when they are unwarranted. If we’d gone with Morris the Murdoch press would have been at nauseam about his inability to attract players.
Benji is one of the biggest brands in Rugby League, he’s well respected and connected, including Fox which is important considering the influence it has over the public. As Sheens points out he’s worked hard to achieve his reputation and status in the game, and that’s got to be a big asset in his favour to get the right people around him and bring over the quality players we might need. Benji has experienced enough of the highs and lows, successes and failures in the game to reflect upon and be guided by, he’s experienced it all and continues to flourish post football career. There’s something unique about Benji, and hearing him and Sheens talk about their plans raises my optimism for the journey ahead.
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We have money, we have the COE, we have Api and Papi and some good young first grader. Now we have a coaching team locked in for the 5 years.
the most important thing for the club to execute now is getting another 2 marquee level players who can be the difference when we are matching the better teams but need something special. We have the salary cap, I just hope Benji/Sheens can convince them we have a future
Agreed. The club will live or die on attracting players. Starting with Papali’i. If we can jag a couple it will probably put his mind at ease as well.
It’s a panicked Hail Mary. Not exactly the panicked response I expected but just as incompetent a response as I expected, and they still panicked. Terrible governance and decision making. This has disaster written all over it.
Sheens has not been successful since he left, over 10 years now, and that has been in a second tier competition. Also remember he sued the club as well after they sacked him. Benji and Farah are deadset rookies when it comes to coaching. I doubt Benji will be able to overcome his self interest, it’s all about Benji, to be a decent coach. It’s about people management and I just don’t see it. If it wasn’t so depressing I’d be laughing.
You can characterise it as a Hail Mary. In truth as a club we were stuck in a stable equilibrium where we were a bottom 4 club. Increasing the potential range of outcomes via adopting a riskier strategy actually makes some sort sense
It’s pure desperation from a club that has been rejected by everyone approached. They stuffed this up the moment they sacked Maguire without a replacement already signed. Total incompetence from an unprofessional organisation.
It’s a panicked Hail Mary. Not exactly the panicked response I expected but just as incompetent a response as I expected, and they still panicked. Terrible governance and decision making. This has disaster written all over it.
Sheens has not been successful since he left, over 10 years now, and that has been in a second tier competition. Also remember he sued the club as well after they sacked him. Benji and Farah are deadset rookies when it comes to coaching. I doubt Benji will be able to overcome his self interest, it’s all about Benji, to be a decent coach. It’s about people management and I just don’t see it. If it wasn’t so depressing I’d be laughing.
You can characterise it as a Hail Mary. In truth as a club we were stuck in a stable equilibrium where we were a bottom 4 club. Increasing the potential range of outcomes via adopting a riskier strategy actually makes some sort sense
It’s pure desperation from a club that has been rejected by everyone approached. They stuffed this up the moment they sacked Maguire without a replacement already signed. Total incompetence from an unprofessional organisation.
I don’t know the ins and outs. I know they were all in on ciraldo and thought he was coming hence the sacking of Madge. I don’t know once they missed out on ciraldo that they were “rejected by everyone”, in fact I highly doubt it as there are only 16 first grade coaching jobs and plenty who think they can do the job. My hunch is that once they missed ciraldo they went back to the drawing board and didn’t rush into talking to the next candidates (green, Flanagan etc). In the end they came up with this mix and I’m ok with it. Pretty much everything the tigers chose would have been a Hail Mary. Getting in another coach who has failed somewhere else just locks in more of the same I would suspect.
I’m more optimistic with Sheens/Marshall/Farah than the other options, even Ciraldo. Unfortunately for the other coaches in the mix, perceptions of their weaknesses can stick like mud, even when they are unwarranted. If we’d gone with Morris the Murdoch press would have been at nauseam about his inability to attract players.
Benji is one of the biggest brands in Rugby League, he’s well respected and connected, including Fox which is important considering the influence it has over the public. As Sheens points out he’s worked hard to achieve his reputation and status in the game, and that’s got to be a big asset in his favour to get the right people around him and bring over the quality players we might need. Benji has experienced enough of the highs and lows, successes and failures in the game to reflect upon and be guided by, he’s experienced it all and continues to flourish post football career. There’s something unique about Benji, and hearing him and Sheens talk about their plans raises my optimism for the journey ahead.
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It’s a panicked Hail Mary. Not exactly the panicked response I expected but just as incompetent a response as I expected, and they still panicked. Terrible governance and decision making. This has disaster written all over it.
Sheens has not been successful since he left, over 10 years now, and that has been in a second tier competition. Also remember he sued the club as well after they sacked him. Benji and Farah are deadset rookies when it comes to coaching. I doubt Benji will be able to overcome his self interest, it’s all about Benji, to be a decent coach. It’s about people management and I just don’t see it. If it wasn’t so depressing I’d be laughing.
You can characterise it as a Hail Mary. In truth as a club we were stuck in a stable equilibrium where we were a bottom 4 club. Increasing the potential range of outcomes via adopting a riskier strategy actually makes some sort sense
It’s pure desperation from a club that has been rejected by everyone approached. They stuffed this up the moment they sacked Maguire without a replacement already signed. Total incompetence from an unprofessional organisation.
I don’t know the ins and outs. I know they were all in on ciraldo and thought he was coming hence the sacking of Madge. I don’t know once they missed out on ciraldo that they were “rejected by everyone”, in fact I highly doubt it as there are only 16 first grade coaching jobs and plenty who think they can do the job. My hunch is that once they missed ciraldo they went back to the drawing board and didn’t rush into talking to the next candidates (green, Flanagan etc). In the end they came up with this mix and I’m ok with it. Pretty much everything the tigers chose would have been a Hail Mary. Getting in another coach who has failed somewhere else just locks in more of the same I would suspect.
You mean like Sheens who has failed at every endeavour since 2012?
I don’t think it’s the right decision. But that doesn’t matter now. Opinions are like bums, we’ve all got one and most of them stink.
What I am struck by, and this was coming out of Thursday night’s pod, is this shows the board is all in on something that would build the club’s identity. Almost at the expense of short term success.
That is a big call for the board to make. And it leaves me wondering whether there is a real fear on the board that the club is heading off the rails unless it acts boldly.
This is a massive gamble. I fear Sheens is past it, and Benji doesn’t strike me as the sort of guy who has a coaching mindset. But that’s all part of the joy and misery of being a fan I guess.
I don’t think it’s the right decision. But that doesn’t matter now. Opinions are like bums, we’ve all got one and most of them stink.
What I am struck by, and this was coming out of Thursday night’s pod, is this shows the board is all in on something that would build the club’s identity. Almost at the expense of short term success.
That is a big call for the board to make. And it leaves me wondering whether there is a real fear on the board that the club is heading off the rails unless it acts boldly.
This is a massive gamble. I fear Sheens is past it, and Benji doesn’t strike me as the sort of guy who has a coaching mindset. But that’s all part of the joy and misery of being a fan I guess.
Yep, just going to have to ride it out now and pray for a miracle.
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The club to me has now hired Attitude that will create a culture you need for success that is performance on the field and off. They say Benji doesn’t have the skills set.this can be trained for ,but a poor attitude will go through out a team. Tim Benji and Robbie will provide the direction and boost this teams morale and give the young kids confidence to back themselves. All three are great communicators from the young kids to the hard nosed journalists. Success will come if the team and supporters trust the systems!
It’s a panicked Hail Mary. Not exactly the panicked response I expected but just as incompetent a response as I expected, and they still panicked. Terrible governance and decision making. This has disaster written all over it.
Sheens has not been successful since he left, over 10 years now, and that has been in a second tier competition. Also remember he sued the club as well after they sacked him. Benji and Farah are deadset rookies when it comes to coaching. I doubt Benji will be able to overcome his self interest, it’s all about Benji, to be a decent coach. It’s about people management and I just don’t see it. If it wasn’t so depressing I’d be laughing.
You can characterise it as a Hail Mary. In truth as a club we were stuck in a stable equilibrium where we were a bottom 4 club. Increasing the potential range of outcomes via adopting a riskier strategy actually makes some sort sense
It’s pure desperation from a club that has been rejected by everyone approached. They stuffed this up the moment they sacked Maguire without a replacement already signed. Total incompetence from an unprofessional organisation.
I don’t know the ins and outs. I know they were all in on ciraldo and thought he was coming hence the sacking of Madge. I don’t know once they missed out on ciraldo that they were “rejected by everyone”, in fact I highly doubt it as there are only 16 first grade coaching jobs and plenty who think they can do the job. My hunch is that once they missed ciraldo they went back to the drawing board and didn’t rush into talking to the next candidates (green, Flanagan etc). In the end they came up with this mix and I’m ok with it. Pretty much everything the tigers chose would have been a Hail Mary. Getting in another coach who has failed somewhere else just locks in more of the same I would suspect.
You mean like Sheens who has failed at every endeavour since 2012?
You supported Madge and he has been going backwards since 2014.
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It’s a panicked Hail Mary. Not exactly the panicked response I expected but just as incompetent a response as I expected, and they still panicked. Terrible governance and decision making. This has disaster written all over it.
Sheens has not been successful since he left, over 10 years now, and that has been in a second tier competition. Also remember he sued the club as well after they sacked him. Benji and Farah are deadset rookies when it comes to coaching. I doubt Benji will be able to overcome his self interest, it’s all about Benji, to be a decent coach. It’s about people management and I just don’t see it. If it wasn’t so depressing I’d be laughing.
You can characterise it as a Hail Mary. In truth as a club we were stuck in a stable equilibrium where we were a bottom 4 club. Increasing the potential range of outcomes via adopting a riskier strategy actually makes some sort sense
It’s pure desperation from a club that has been rejected by everyone approached. They stuffed this up the moment they sacked Maguire without a replacement already signed. Total incompetence from an unprofessional organisation.
I don’t know the ins and outs. I know they were all in on ciraldo and thought he was coming hence the sacking of Madge. I don’t know once they missed out on ciraldo that they were “rejected by everyone”, in fact I highly doubt it as there are only 16 first grade coaching jobs and plenty who think they can do the job. My hunch is that once they missed ciraldo they went back to the drawing board and didn’t rush into talking to the next candidates (green, Flanagan etc). In the end they came up with this mix and I’m ok with it. Pretty much everything the tigers chose would have been a Hail Mary. Getting in another coach who has failed somewhere else just locks in more of the same I would suspect.
You mean like Sheens who has failed at every endeavour since 2012?
You supported Madge and he has been going backwards since 2014.
So you replace him with someone who was even worse in the last 10 years. OK.
Let’s be honest, maybe Madge can coach a Madge squad to the finals but less than 10% of NRL players are in that mould. And he showed little to no ability to coach to the squad he had
Let’s be honest, maybe Madge can coach a Madge squad to the finals but less than 10% of NRL players are in that mould. And he showed little to no ability to coach to the squad he had
This is not about sacking Madge. It’s about not having someone secured when they did and then not being able to attract anyone else. So they hire a person who has repeatedly failed in the last 10 years + 2 coaching rookies.
This is about the incompetence of an unprofessional organisation. Nothing will change until the governance and front office changes. They will continue to make panicked poor decisions because they don’t know any better.
Let’s be honest, maybe Madge can coach a Madge squad to the finals but less than 10% of NRL players are in that mould. And he showed little to no ability to coach to the squad he had
This is not about sacking Madge. It’s about not having someone secured when they did and then not being able to attract anyone else. So they hire a person who has repeatedly failed in the last 10 years + 2 coaching rookies.
This is about the incompetence of an unprofessional organisation. Nothing will change until the governance and front office changes. They will continue to make panicked poor decisions because they don’t know any better.
I am happy with this decision, at the time I was happy to give Madge more time but am glad we have made a change. I wanted Ciraldo, but lets be honest, there were valid concerns with his appointment. I prefer this plan over going with Morris or any other coach. This course of action may not work, but all of the options fall into that category. The biggest point is, now was the time to make that change.
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Let’s be honest, maybe Madge can coach a Madge squad to the finals but less than 10% of NRL players are in that mould. And he showed little to no ability to coach to the squad he had
This is not about sacking Madge. It’s about not having someone secured when they did and then not being able to attract anyone else. So they hire a person who has repeatedly failed in the last 10 years + 2 coaching rookies.
This is about the incompetence of an unprofessional organisation. Nothing will change until the governance and front office changes. They will continue to make panicked poor decisions because they don’t know any better.
I agree Mike, I just hope this decision ends up being a positive for the club.
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