Disagree entirely with this sentiment. The CEO is responsible for putting in place the processes and procedures to ensure effective business operations. As we see time and time again this is seriously flawed. Examples range from trivial (flags flying upside down on game day), to the damming (COE Benji’s Dragons premiership , Heighington’s name spelt incorrectly on a tweet about Ask the Boss, the inability to sign players and coaches after swearing blind we have them). The attention to detail is lacking and the processes are not in place to capture and fix those errors. This is the CEO’s responsibility. These errors and lack of accountability permeates through the organisation all the way down to the playing group. The rot starts at the top. It is no wonder we have been in the wilderness for so long. I don’t believe we will ever get out of it until the rot at the top is fixed, meaning gone. The CEO often states that the senior management is accountable, yet I have never seen any indication or explanation on how they are.Joke
Mate, absolute least of our problems tonight.
His a common denominator though
He’s the CEO of a club that is going backwards - he’s a major problem.
Amazing isn’t it any other major business out there would have fired their under performing CEO years ago especially with issues that Pascoe has created under his rein as CEO..
I’ve never seen anything like it.
It will be because his performance is not measured by on-field performance, it will be measured by other KPIs, which I must assume he is hitting.
Even just thinking about it logically, if they change everything - players, coach, pathways, support staff, centre of excellence etc., then if the club is still losing, there are a few things left they can change. One would be CEO, the other would be Board changes.
So assuming that the Board don't want to remove themselves from power, that means the next "scapegoat" must surely be the CEO. Yet Pascoe is still there. So either the Board think he's doing his job, or they haven't yet felt enough pressure to hook him.
I am not specifically a Pascoe fan but I am almost certain if he was hooked, it wouldn't make much of a difference. But I wish he was sacked, just so we can stop talking about the CEO for at least 2-3 seasons. Really, Pascoe's name should not come up and most clubs pay very little attention to their CEO. But because Tigers have been bad for so long, people are still looking for the unturned stone to then kick down the hill. So be it - get rid of him and we will finally be down to the Board (the owners) as the final unchanged item.
He’s the CEO of a club that states that the senior management is accountable, yet I have never seen any indication or explanation on how they are.
I'm curious as to why we worry about what these nuffties say or do. Is it because we are scared by previous boards decisions and don't want it to keep going or are we just wanting to vent some steam from our teams failures.
I personally don't give a hoot if the flags upside down but would be if a player wore his jersey inside out.
Point is...unless a thousand members turned up at headquarters with placards saying sack the board with the media there, nothing will change so I'm not losing sleep over it any more, I'm too old for that..."Where did I put my bloody dentures"
I've told BK to his face that I think our attacking structure was wrong and the next night we beat the broncos 🤣 It was all my doing hee hee, well I got it off my chest anyway.
The only thing we can control is what we can control. I feel members pain though.
We worry about it because it’s been a long, long time since we have had success on the field. Pretty much everything and everyone else has changed except for those leading the organisation. Those leaders continue to make poor decisions, and put in place inadequate processes that ultimately affect the on field performance. All without any visible accountability. I would hate to see what blunders are made that aren’t public.
I want success in the form of a winning team on the field. I hate losing. I can’t see anything changing with the current management.
It is getting very close to the stage where members will rock up to Concord and Wests Ashfield demanding change. There are groups being formed now with this as their main agenda and objective.
@mike I get it mike and I totally agree with what your saying, and agree with the majority of complaints about the board.
You basically said in the end what I was inferring to and that is to oust this board it's going to take some drastic action like protests or partitions supported by media rather that getting our canubials in a knot on social media.
If I was younger I would attend such action but for now I'm happy (or miserable) to watch the tigers once a week on tv and have a beer 🍺🍺🍺
https://www.weststigers.com.au/news/2023/04/02/judiciary-round-5-vs-broncos/
Wests Tigers players Fonua Pole and Junior Tupou have been handed Grade 1 charges from Saturday's Round 5 loss to the Broncos in Brisbane.
Pole was charged with a Grade 1 crusher tackle on Katoni Staggs which occurred midway through the first half at Suncorp Stadium.
Tupou's offence was a Grade 1 shoulder charge, also on Staggs, in the 74th minute.
Disagree entirely with this sentiment. The CEO is responsible for putting in place the processes and procedures to ensure effective business operations. As we see time and time again this is seriously flawed. Examples range from trivial (flags flying upside down on game day), to the damming (COE Benji’s Dragons premiership , Heighington’s name spelt incorrectly on a tweet about Ask the Boss, the inability to sign players and coaches after swearing blind we have them). The attention to detail is lacking and the processes are not in place to capture and fix those errors. This is the CEO’s responsibility. These errors and lack of accountability permeates through the organisation all the way down to the playing group. The rot starts at the top. It is no wonder we have been in the wilderness for so long. I don’t believe we will ever get out of it until the rot at the top is fixed, meaning gone. The CEO often states that the senior management is accountable, yet I have never seen any indication or explanation on how they are.Joke
Mate, absolute least of our problems tonight.
His a common denominator though
He’s the CEO of a club that is going backwards - he’s a major problem.
Amazing isn’t it any other major business out there would have fired their under performing CEO years ago especially with issues that Pascoe has created under his rein as CEO..
I’ve never seen anything like it.
It will be because his performance is not measured by on-field performance, it will be measured by other KPIs, which I must assume he is hitting.
Even just thinking about it logically, if they change everything - players, coach, pathways, support staff, centre of excellence etc., then if the club is still losing, there are a few things left they can change. One would be CEO, the other would be Board changes.
So assuming that the Board don't want to remove themselves from power, that means the next "scapegoat" must surely be the CEO. Yet Pascoe is still there. So either the Board think he's doing his job, or they haven't yet felt enough pressure to hook him.
I am not specifically a Pascoe fan but I am almost certain if he was hooked, it wouldn't make much of a difference. But I wish he was sacked, just so we can stop talking about the CEO for at least 2-3 seasons. Really, Pascoe's name should not come up and most clubs pay very little attention to their CEO. But because Tigers have been bad for so long, people are still looking for the unturned stone to then kick down the hill. So be it - get rid of him and we will finally be down to the Board (the owners) as the final unchanged item.
I totally agree and disagree with this statement Mike, which to some extent sums up my opinion and maybe the situation with Pascoe.
I TOTALLY agree with you regarding the lack of attention to detail with Pascoe and by extension Tigers management. All of those examples you gave, flags, Heighingtons name etc are completely legitimate criticisms of the lack of attention to detail and I agree with you that this permeates the organisation. On the other hand, his macro organisation has been better than any other CEO the WT has had in its history. The ability to turn around profits (in our worst period on field), the CoE, membership numbers, fan interaction etc. These are things that a CEO is responsible for and he has done a great job on measurable, objective markers and when all the predecessors couldnt do it.
Dare I suggest that both things could be true at once? Dare I say that there needs to be a position between the football department and management that looks after this interface, similar to the role that Sheens held 12months ago?
To me the macro means nothing unless there is success on the field. The Wests Tigers were not formed to make a profit but to win football games. Of course we don’t want to go broke in the process but the main objective is to win football matches. In this the CEO has been an abject failure.Disagree entirely with this sentiment. The CEO is responsible for putting in place the processes and procedures to ensure effective business operations. As we see time and time again this is seriously flawed. Examples range from trivial (flags flying upside down on game day), to the damming (COE Benji’s Dragons premiership , Heighington’s name spelt incorrectly on a tweet about Ask the Boss, the inability to sign players and coaches after swearing blind we have them). The attention to detail is lacking and the processes are not in place to capture and fix those errors. This is the CEO’s responsibility. These errors and lack of accountability permeates through the organisation all the way down to the playing group. The rot starts at the top. It is no wonder we have been in the wilderness for so long. I don’t believe we will ever get out of it until the rot at the top is fixed, meaning gone. The CEO often states that the senior management is accountable, yet I have never seen any indication or explanation on how they are.Joke
Mate, absolute least of our problems tonight.
His a common denominator though
He’s the CEO of a club that is going backwards - he’s a major problem.
Amazing isn’t it any other major business out there would have fired their under performing CEO years ago especially with issues that Pascoe has created under his rein as CEO..
I’ve never seen anything like it.
It will be because his performance is not measured by on-field performance, it will be measured by other KPIs, which I must assume he is hitting.
Even just thinking about it logically, if they change everything - players, coach, pathways, support staff, centre of excellence etc., then if the club is still losing, there are a few things left they can change. One would be CEO, the other would be Board changes.
So assuming that the Board don't want to remove themselves from power, that means the next "scapegoat" must surely be the CEO. Yet Pascoe is still there. So either the Board think he's doing his job, or they haven't yet felt enough pressure to hook him.
I am not specifically a Pascoe fan but I am almost certain if he was hooked, it wouldn't make much of a difference. But I wish he was sacked, just so we can stop talking about the CEO for at least 2-3 seasons. Really, Pascoe's name should not come up and most clubs pay very little attention to their CEO. But because Tigers have been bad for so long, people are still looking for the unturned stone to then kick down the hill. So be it - get rid of him and we will finally be down to the Board (the owners) as the final unchanged item.
I totally agree and disagree with this statement Mike, which to some extent sums up my opinion and maybe the situation with Pascoe.
I TOTALLY agree with you regarding the lack of attention to detail with Pascoe and by extension Tigers management. All of those examples you gave, flags, Heighingtons name etc are completely legitimate criticisms of the lack of attention to detail and I agree with you that this permeates the organisation. On the other hand, his macro organisation has been better than any other CEO the WT has had in its history. The ability to turn around profits (in our worst period on field), the CoE, membership numbers, fan interaction etc. These are things that a CEO is responsible for and he has done a great job on measurable, objective markers and when all the predecessors couldnt do it.
Dare I suggest that both things could be true at once? Dare I say that there needs to be a position between the football department and management that looks after this interface, similar to the role that Sheens held 12months ago?
To me the macro means nothing unless there is success on the field. The Wests Tigers were not formed to make a profit but to win football games. Of course we don’t want to go broke in the process but the main objective is to win football matches. In this the CEO has been an abject failure.Disagree entirely with this sentiment. The CEO is responsible for putting in place the processes and procedures to ensure effective business operations. As we see time and time again this is seriously flawed. Examples range from trivial (flags flying upside down on game day), to the damming (COE Benji’s Dragons premiership , Heighington’s name spelt incorrectly on a tweet about Ask the Boss, the inability to sign players and coaches after swearing blind we have them). The attention to detail is lacking and the processes are not in place to capture and fix those errors. This is the CEO’s responsibility. These errors and lack of accountability permeates through the organisation all the way down to the playing group. The rot starts at the top. It is no wonder we have been in the wilderness for so long. I don’t believe we will ever get out of it until the rot at the top is fixed, meaning gone. The CEO often states that the senior management is accountable, yet I have never seen any indication or explanation on how they are.Joke
Mate, absolute least of our problems tonight.
His a common denominator though
He’s the CEO of a club that is going backwards - he’s a major problem.
Amazing isn’t it any other major business out there would have fired their under performing CEO years ago especially with issues that Pascoe has created under his rein as CEO..
I’ve never seen anything like it.
It will be because his performance is not measured by on-field performance, it will be measured by other KPIs, which I must assume he is hitting.
Even just thinking about it logically, if they change everything - players, coach, pathways, support staff, centre of excellence etc., then if the club is still losing, there are a few things left they can change. One would be CEO, the other would be Board changes.
So assuming that the Board don't want to remove themselves from power, that means the next "scapegoat" must surely be the CEO. Yet Pascoe is still there. So either the Board think he's doing his job, or they haven't yet felt enough pressure to hook him.
I am not specifically a Pascoe fan but I am almost certain if he was hooked, it wouldn't make much of a difference. But I wish he was sacked, just so we can stop talking about the CEO for at least 2-3 seasons. Really, Pascoe's name should not come up and most clubs pay very little attention to their CEO. But because Tigers have been bad for so long, people are still looking for the unturned stone to then kick down the hill. So be it - get rid of him and we will finally be down to the Board (the owners) as the final unchanged item.
I totally agree and disagree with this statement Mike, which to some extent sums up my opinion and maybe the situation with Pascoe.
I TOTALLY agree with you regarding the lack of attention to detail with Pascoe and by extension Tigers management. All of those examples you gave, flags, Heighingtons name etc are completely legitimate criticisms of the lack of attention to detail and I agree with you that this permeates the organisation. On the other hand, his macro organisation has been better than any other CEO the WT has had in its history. The ability to turn around profits (in our worst period on field), the CoE, membership numbers, fan interaction etc. These are things that a CEO is responsible for and he has done a great job on measurable, objective markers and when all the predecessors couldnt do it.
Dare I suggest that both things could be true at once? Dare I say that there needs to be a position between the football department and management that looks after this interface, similar to the role that Sheens held 12months ago?
To me, the point you make sums up our issue. IMO "the macro" is the extent of the CEO's responsibility. Set the organisation up with all teh resources necessary such that it can be successful and establish structures and personnel below that can enable that success. IMO Pascoe has clearly set up the organisation with the resources necessary to be successful. Probably clearly hasnt set up the structures and people below to make this happen.
Dare I say that there needs to be a position between the football department and management that looks after this interface, similar to the role that Sheens held 12months ago?
Definitely. This is a very important role imo - we should be looking at someone at a strong club to come in and run the football side of things. Go and grab Frank Ponissi's 2IC (or similar), and let them restructure things appropriately. Would imagine Farah would be a logical person to groom for the role eventually.
I'd like us to do the same for the CEO role tbh. Pascoe has definitely made some great strides in terms of finances and the COE(s?), but there's been some serious snafus too. The salary cap penalty debacle, the constant public pursuit of players and coach (though LH more guilty here), all the way down to authorising the documentary, and plenty in between.
I just think there's too much baggage there now and the club needs a circuit breaker to say the least.
I've just seen there's a Pascoe interview with Buzz gone up tonight - god help us.
I don't get the main focus of criticism being on the players. This is a better playing squad than 2021/22. It is the task of the coaches to get the best out of that squad, in ALL aspects. This has not improved at all, so far, in 2023.
I don't get the main focus of criticism being on the players. This is a better playing squad than 2021/22. It is the task of the coaches to get the best out of that squad, in ALL aspects. This has not improved at all, so far, in 2023.
it is very confusing given how well we managed the top 30 over the summer. At times we have blamed Madge, blamed Cleary’s signings, the cap being out of shape etc etc. the only thing that is left is either our Spine is busted or it’s the club culture. It’s probably both but I assume the management moves on the spine first. If that fails then maybe management gets turned over. Unfortunately we will have burnt the quality players that we have recruited by that point.
I'm not sure who you mean when you refer to "management". I'm focused on the 2023 coaching group and their role in the debacle that has been the start of the season and why they're not under more scrutiny.I don't get the main focus of criticism being on the players. This is a better playing squad than 2021/22. It is the task of the coaches to get the best out of that squad, in ALL aspects. This has not improved at all, so far, in 2023.
it is very confusing given how well we managed the top 30 over the summer. At times we have blamed Madge, blamed Cleary’s signings, the cap being out of shape etc etc. the only thing that is left is either our Spine is busted or it’s the club culture. It’s probably both but I assume the management moves on the spine first. If that fails then maybe management gets turned over. Unfortunately we will have burnt the quality players that we have recruited by that point.
Disagree entirely with this sentiment. The CEO is responsible for putting in place the processes and procedures to ensure effective business operations. As we see time and time again this is seriously flawed. Examples range from trivial (flags flying upside down on game day), to the damming (COE Benji’s Dragons premiership , Heighington’s name spelt incorrectly on a tweet about Ask the Boss, the inability to sign players and coaches after swearing blind we have them). The attention to detail is lacking and the processes are not in place to capture and fix those errors. This is the CEO’s responsibility. These errors and lack of accountability permeates through the organisation all the way down to the playing group. The rot starts at the top. It is no wonder we have been in the wilderness for so long. I don’t believe we will ever get out of it until the rot at the top is fixed, meaning gone. The CEO often states that the senior management is accountable, yet I have never seen any indication or explanation on how they are.I am not specifically a Pascoe fan but I am almost certain if he was hooked, it wouldn't make much of a difference. But I wish he was sacked, just so we can stop talking about the CEO for at least 2-3 seasons. Really, Pascoe's name should not come up and most clubs pay very little attention to their CEO. But because Tigers have been bad for so long, people are still looking for the unturned stone to then kick down the hill. So be it - get rid of him and we will finally be down to the Board (the owners) as the final unchanged item.
That's fine. Honestly, I really do hope they sack Pascoe and we can test your theory out. It can't hurt, it's one of the things we haven't tried recently. No I don't think it will change how the Tigers are performing on-field, but I am absolutely not against trying it out.
My actual thinking comes from the fact that we were mostly ordinary since 2000 and Pascoe is our 5th CEO. And I wouldn't have the first clue who we would sign up to make a notable difference that trickles down to better on-field.
I mean, you would have assumed, fairly enough, that building an 80M CoE would have had some kind of impact on the side, at least some capacity to improve performances after all the crap heaped on about bad and antiquated facilities. But it seems no.
What message does it send to any player, sponsor or fan when there is no accountability for mediocrity? The Purpose of this organisation is to win football games. Full stop. If you are the head of the organisation and year on year, you fail to achieve that goal, then how do you keep your job? If this was a non sporting organisation, and CEO failed to produce a profit, year after year after year, they would be sacked. Our version of a profit is sustained on-field success.
Spare me arguments about financial and commercial improvements. The main source of revenue is under pinned by a tv rights deal that subsidises the club. Sponsorship is ancillary to that. Getting your businesses name on an NRL Jersey with the exposure of the brand via TV isn’t rocket science. It should be the bare minimum for any competent administrator.
The other argument is that it won’t change on-field performances. Well, I think that if you have someone at the head of an organisation that drives standards, expects high performance and pushes that mentality through the organisation, it will translate to improvements across the board.
Take memberships as an example. No follow up call at the end of the year, no upselling. I can’t get a supporters pack sent to my kids. If this is the attention of detail to your key stakeholders, how does that translate to the football department. It shows me that the organisations lacks any standards or accountability.
The board and the CEO are invested in their self-preservation. They are not invested in the club. They are not invested in making sure we are an organisation that strive for excellence through setting standards and enforcing those standards when they are not met.
It shows me to that private ownership is the only way this club can resolve its issues. Someone who puts their money on the line, has some skin in the game and therefore scrutinises details. As it is right now, we have a couple of show-ponies running the club who are not invested enough to makes changes that will last.
Was that McDonnell sitting down on the bench with Sheens on Saturday night? What's doing there?
