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Rd 5 Wests Tigers v Broncos Live Game Day Thread (Contains Spoilers)

Mike
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Posted by: @mattvtiger

What message does it send to any player, sponsor or fan when there is no accountability for mediocrity? The Purpose of this organisation is to win football games. Full stop. If you are the head of the organisation and year on year, you fail to achieve that goal, then how do you keep your job? If this was a non sporting organisation, and CEO failed to produce a profit, year after year after year, they would be sacked. Our version of a profit is sustained on-field success. 

Spare me arguments about financial and commercial improvements. The main source of revenue is under pinned by a tv rights deal that subsidises the club. Sponsorship is ancillary to that. Getting your businesses name on an NRL Jersey with the exposure of the brand via TV isn’t rocket science. It should be the bare minimum for any competent administrator. 

The other argument is that it won’t change on-field performances. Well, I think that if you have someone at the head of an organisation that drives standards, expects high performance and pushes that mentality through the organisation, it will translate to improvements across the board.

Take memberships as an example. No follow up call at the end of the year, no upselling. I can’t get a supporters pack sent to my kids. If this is the attention of detail to your key stakeholders, how does that translate to the football department. It shows me that the organisations lacks any standards or accountability.

 

The board and the CEO are invested in their self-preservation. They are not invested in the club. They are not invested in making sure we are an organisation that strive for excellence through setting standards and enforcing those standards when they are not met.

It shows me to that private ownership is the only way this club can resolve its issues. Someone who puts their money on the line, has some skin in the game and therefore scrutinises details. As it is right now, we have a couple of show-ponies running the club who are not invested enough to makes changes that will last. 

 

The club is already privately owned by the Holman Barnes Group. 

 


   
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Posted by: @mattvtiger

What message does it send to any player, sponsor or fan when there is no accountability for mediocrity? The Purpose of this organisation is to win football games. Full stop. If you are the head of the organisation and year on year, you fail to achieve that goal, then how do you keep your job? If this was a non sporting organisation, and CEO failed to produce a profit, year after year after year, they would be sacked. Our version of a profit is sustained on-field success. 

Spare me arguments about financial and commercial improvements. The main source of revenue is under pinned by a tv rights deal that subsidises the club. Sponsorship is ancillary to that. Getting your businesses name on an NRL Jersey with the exposure of the brand via TV isn’t rocket science. It should be the bare minimum for any competent administrator. 

The other argument is that it won’t change on-field performances. Well, I think that if you have someone at the head of an organisation that drives standards, expects high performance and pushes that mentality through the organisation, it will translate to improvements across the board.

Take memberships as an example. No follow up call at the end of the year, no upselling. I can’t get a supporters pack sent to my kids. If this is the attention of detail to your key stakeholders, how does that translate to the football department. It shows me that the organisations lacks any standards or accountability.

 

The board and the CEO are invested in their self-preservation. They are not invested in the club. They are not invested in making sure we are an organisation that strive for excellence through setting standards and enforcing those standards when they are not met.

It shows me to that private ownership is the only way this club can resolve its issues. Someone who puts their money on the line, has some skin in the game and therefore scrutinises details. As it is right now, we have a couple of show-ponies running the club who are not invested enough to makes changes that will last. 

 

agree with all of this. We, as supporters, would have to find some way of convincing the NRL to revoke the license that's given to Wests Ashfield in favour of it being passed to another group.

The only time the NRL would consider revoking a license is a club fell into financial trouble which is clearly not the case with WT.

The Holman Barnes group are not selling under any circumstances.

 


   
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Posted by: @mickb

Posted by: @mattvtiger

What message does it send to any player, sponsor or fan when there is no accountability for mediocrity? The Purpose of this organisation is to win football games. Full stop. If you are the head of the organisation and year on year, you fail to achieve that goal, then how do you keep your job? If this was a non sporting organisation, and CEO failed to produce a profit, year after year after year, they would be sacked. Our version of a profit is sustained on-field success. 

Spare me arguments about financial and commercial improvements. The main source of revenue is under pinned by a tv rights deal that subsidises the club. Sponsorship is ancillary to that. Getting your businesses name on an NRL Jersey with the exposure of the brand via TV isn’t rocket science. It should be the bare minimum for any competent administrator. 

The other argument is that it won’t change on-field performances. Well, I think that if you have someone at the head of an organisation that drives standards, expects high performance and pushes that mentality through the organisation, it will translate to improvements across the board.

Take memberships as an example. No follow up call at the end of the year, no upselling. I can’t get a supporters pack sent to my kids. If this is the attention of detail to your key stakeholders, how does that translate to the football department. It shows me that the organisations lacks any standards or accountability.

 

The board and the CEO are invested in their self-preservation. They are not invested in the club. They are not invested in making sure we are an organisation that strive for excellence through setting standards and enforcing those standards when they are not met.

It shows me to that private ownership is the only way this club can resolve its issues. Someone who puts their money on the line, has some skin in the game and therefore scrutinises details. As it is right now, we have a couple of show-ponies running the club who are not invested enough to makes changes that will last. 

 

agree with all of this. We, as supporters, would have to find some way of convincing the NRL to revoke the license that's given to Wests Ashfield in favour of it being passed to another group.

The only time the NRL would consider revoking a license is a club fell into financial trouble which is clearly not the case with WT.

The Holman Barnes group are not selling under any circumstances.

 

To be clear, Holman Barnes group is a public company with no share capital. It’s profits, per its constitution ( https://holmanbarnesgroup.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/Western-Suburbs-Leagues-Club-Ltd-Ashfield-Constitution-AGM-26.03.2022-73805663v5-SIGNED.pdf) are distributed as follows:-

 

Any profits or other income of the Club shall be applied only to the promotion of the objects of the Club and shall not be paid to or distributed among the members of the Club.

This is not private ownership. This is ownership by committee with profits re-invested back into the promotion of club. 

Private ownership involves people owning the club who have invested their personal money into it. 

 


   
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Mike
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Posted by: @mattvtiger

Posted by: @mickb

Posted by: @mattvtiger

What message does it send to any player, sponsor or fan when there is no accountability for mediocrity? The Purpose of this organisation is to win football games. Full stop. If you are the head of the organisation and year on year, you fail to achieve that goal, then how do you keep your job? If this was a non sporting organisation, and CEO failed to produce a profit, year after year after year, they would be sacked. Our version of a profit is sustained on-field success. 

Spare me arguments about financial and commercial improvements. The main source of revenue is under pinned by a tv rights deal that subsidises the club. Sponsorship is ancillary to that. Getting your businesses name on an NRL Jersey with the exposure of the brand via TV isn’t rocket science. It should be the bare minimum for any competent administrator. 

The other argument is that it won’t change on-field performances. Well, I think that if you have someone at the head of an organisation that drives standards, expects high performance and pushes that mentality through the organisation, it will translate to improvements across the board.

Take memberships as an example. No follow up call at the end of the year, no upselling. I can’t get a supporters pack sent to my kids. If this is the attention of detail to your key stakeholders, how does that translate to the football department. It shows me that the organisations lacks any standards or accountability.

 

The board and the CEO are invested in their self-preservation. They are not invested in the club. They are not invested in making sure we are an organisation that strive for excellence through setting standards and enforcing those standards when they are not met.

It shows me to that private ownership is the only way this club can resolve its issues. Someone who puts their money on the line, has some skin in the game and therefore scrutinises details. As it is right now, we have a couple of show-ponies running the club who are not invested enough to makes changes that will last. 

 

agree with all of this. We, as supporters, would have to find some way of convincing the NRL to revoke the license that's given to Wests Ashfield in favour of it being passed to another group.

The only time the NRL would consider revoking a license is a club fell into financial trouble which is clearly not the case with WT.

The Holman Barnes group are not selling under any circumstances.

 

To be clear, Holman Barnes group is a public company with no share capital. It’s profits, per its constitution ( https://holmanbarnesgroup.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/Western-Suburbs-Leagues-Club-Ltd-Ashfield-Constitution-AGM-26.03.2022-73805663v5-SIGNED.pdf) are distributed as follows:-

 

Any profits or other income of the Club shall be applied only to the promotion of the objects of the Club and shall not be paid to or distributed among the members of the Club.

This is not private ownership. This is ownership by committee with profits re-invested back into the promotion of club. 

Private ownership involves people owning the club who have invested their personal money into it. 

 

I get what you are saying but the fact remains the club is already privately owned by the Holman Barnes Group. They set up a company Wests Tigers Rugby League Football Pty Ltd which holds the NRL licence. Agree it’s not a public listed company on the ASX but instead a Pty Ltd company. Wests Tigers are already in private hands, just not in private hands by a public listed company. 

 


   
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@tiger5150 I’m not sure on AJ just yet… I’m thinking he should be permanently a bench player. To be used in short stints.

Keep steering the right path


   
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Posted by: @loganr21

@tiger5150 I’m not sure on AJ just yet… I’m thinking he should be permanently a bench player. To be used in short stints.

 

But you are sure about AD?

 


   
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Posted by: @loganr21

@tiger5150 I’m not sure on AJ just yet… I’m thinking he should be permanently a bench player. To be used in short stints.

 

But you are sure about AD?

 

No I’m not… some sample sizes of his good play is top notch. Needs to learn to defend one day though. 

 

Keep steering the right path


   
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