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Utter nonsense from both Johns and Maguire.

John’s says he has all the tools to be a top player, what tools are these then? It’s just a collection of meaningless words put together and Madge is just as bad responding.

Its really not complicated, Brooks was a highly rated junior who didn’t develop into a top class NRL player for a variety of reasons, mostly down to his own failure to perform when his team needs him the most. 

its a tale as old as time, there have been many like him before and will be many after him again. The only thing that sets Brooks apart is the utter nonsense spoken about him by so called experts in Rugby League and the frankly rather bizarre assertion that it’s the Tigers fault that he is poor and he’d be a champion elsewhere despite the fact the is zero evidence to back this up.

Give me strength.

I think his came could be improved considerably by working with Johns, I don't think he is a very smart footballer and I believe Johns could teach him clues to look for in the defensive line that would improve his decision making.

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Utter nonsense from both Johns and Maguire.

John’s says he has all the tools to be a top player, what tools are these then? It’s just a collection of meaningless words put together and Madge is just as bad responding.

Its really not complicated, Brooks was a highly rated junior who didn’t develop into a top class NRL player for a variety of reasons, mostly down to his own failure to perform when his team needs him the most. 

its a tale as old as time, there have been many like him before and will be many after him again. The only thing that sets Brooks apart is the utter nonsense spoken about him by so called experts in Rugby League and the frankly rather bizarre assertion that it’s the Tigers fault that he is poor and he’d be a champion elsewhere despite the fact the is zero evidence to back this up.

Give me strength.

I think his came could be improved considerably by working with Johns, I don't think he is a very smart footballer and I believe Johns could teach him clues to look for in the defensive line that would improve his decision making.

I couldn’t disagree more, you can’t teach instinctive decision making.

Why do you think super coaches like Bellamy or Bennett with reputations for turning average players into champions have never seen this untapped potential in Brooks and had aired hot crack at signing him. 

The answer is pretty clear, those that really know about potential just don’t see it.


   
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Utter nonsense from both Johns and Maguire.

John’s says he has all the tools to be a top player, what tools are these then? It’s just a collection of meaningless words put together and Madge is just as bad responding.

Its really not complicated, Brooks was a highly rated junior who didn’t develop into a top class NRL player for a variety of reasons, mostly down to his own failure to perform when his team needs him the most. 

its a tale as old as time, there have been many like him before and will be many after him again. The only thing that sets Brooks apart is the utter nonsense spoken about him by so called experts in Rugby League and the frankly rather bizarre assertion that it’s the Tigers fault that he is poor and he’d be a champion elsewhere despite the fact the is zero evidence to back this up.

Give me strength.

I think his came could be improved considerably by working with Johns, I don't think he is a very smart footballer and I believe Johns could teach him clues to look for in the defensive line that would improve his decision making.

I couldn’t disagree more, you can’t teach instinctive decision making.

Why do you think super coaches like Bellamy or Bennett with reputations for turning average players into champions have never seen this untapped potential in Brooks and had aired hot crack at signing him. 

The answer is pretty clear, those that really know about potential just don’t see it.

Melbourne tried to sign Brooks at one point.

 

You can 100% teach looking for cues in the defensive line that helps negate that lack of natural instinct. Cronk isn't a bad example of that, he was extremely process driven and didn't rely on a lot of natural instinct. 

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Utter nonsense from both Johns and Maguire.

John’s says he has all the tools to be a top player, what tools are these then? It’s just a collection of meaningless words put together and Madge is just as bad responding.

Its really not complicated, Brooks was a highly rated junior who didn’t develop into a top class NRL player for a variety of reasons, mostly down to his own failure to perform when his team needs him the most. 

its a tale as old as time, there have been many like him before and will be many after him again. The only thing that sets Brooks apart is the utter nonsense spoken about him by so called experts in Rugby League and the frankly rather bizarre assertion that it’s the Tigers fault that he is poor and he’d be a champion elsewhere despite the fact the is zero evidence to back this up.

Give me strength.

I think his came could be improved considerably by working with Johns, I don't think he is a very smart footballer and I believe Johns could teach him clues to look for in the defensive line that would improve his decision making.

I couldn’t disagree more, you can’t teach instinctive decision making.

Why do you think super coaches like Bellamy or Bennett with reputations for turning average players into champions have never seen this untapped potential in Brooks and had aired hot crack at signing him. 

The answer is pretty clear, those that really know about potential just don’t see it.

Melbourne tried to sign Brooks at one point.

 

You can 100% teach looking for cues in the defensive line that helps negate that lack of natural instinct. Cronk isn't a bad example of that, he was extremely process driven and didn't rely on a lot of natural instinct. 

When we tried to sign Ado-Carr Melbourne reportedly wanted Talau, or Noffa. No mention of Brooks, if they seriously wanted him they would have signed him years ago.

Cronk is actually a good example of Bellamy spotting potential and coaching him to greatness. I’m currently watching another Bellamy product in Nicho Hynes carving up the Dragons, a player we could have had a real go at signing if we weren’t obsessed as a club with persevering with a failed half back.

Harsh? Maybe but footy is a tough game and well run clubs make these calls. We need to stop collectively beating ourselves up over Brooks and just accept that we made a mistake retaining him and move on.


   
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Utter nonsense from both Johns and Maguire.

John’s says he has all the tools to be a top player, what tools are these then? It’s just a collection of meaningless words put together and Madge is just as bad responding.

Its really not complicated, Brooks was a highly rated junior who didn’t develop into a top class NRL player for a variety of reasons, mostly down to his own failure to perform when his team needs him the most. 

its a tale as old as time, there have been many like him before and will be many after him again. The only thing that sets Brooks apart is the utter nonsense spoken about him by so called experts in Rugby League and the frankly rather bizarre assertion that it’s the Tigers fault that he is poor and he’d be a champion elsewhere despite the fact the is zero evidence to back this up.

Give me strength.

I think his came could be improved considerably by working with Johns, I don't think he is a very smart footballer and I believe Johns could teach him clues to look for in the defensive line that would improve his decision making.

I couldn’t disagree more, you can’t teach instinctive decision making.

Why do you think super coaches like Bellamy or Bennett with reputations for turning average players into champions have never seen this untapped potential in Brooks and had aired hot crack at signing him. 

The answer is pretty clear, those that really know about potential just don’t see it.

Melbourne tried to sign Brooks at one point.

 

You can 100% teach looking for cues in the defensive line that helps negate that lack of natural instinct. Cronk isn't a bad example of that, he was extremely process driven and didn't rely on a lot of natural instinct. 

When we tried to sign Ado-Carr Melbourne reportedly wanted Talau, or Noffa. No mention of Brooks, if they seriously wanted him they would have signed him years ago.

Cronk is actually a good example of Bellamy spotting potential and coaching him to greatness. I’m currently watching another Bellamy product in Nicho Hynes carving up the Dragons, a player we could have had a real go at signing if we weren’t obsessed as a club with persevering with a failed half back.

Harsh? Maybe but footy is a tough game and well run clubs make these calls. We need to stop collectively beating ourselves up over Brooks and just accept that we made a mistake retaining him and move on.

Key word in there is coaching.

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Utter nonsense from both Johns and Maguire.

John’s says he has all the tools to be a top player, what tools are these then? It’s just a collection of meaningless words put together and Madge is just as bad responding.

Its really not complicated, Brooks was a highly rated junior who didn’t develop into a top class NRL player for a variety of reasons, mostly down to his own failure to perform when his team needs him the most. 

its a tale as old as time, there have been many like him before and will be many after him again. The only thing that sets Brooks apart is the utter nonsense spoken about him by so called experts in Rugby League and the frankly rather bizarre assertion that it’s the Tigers fault that he is poor and he’d be a champion elsewhere despite the fact the is zero evidence to back this up.

Give me strength.

I think his came could be improved considerably by working with Johns, I don't think he is a very smart footballer and I believe Johns could teach him clues to look for in the defensive line that would improve his decision making.

I couldn’t disagree more, you can’t teach instinctive decision making.

Why do you think super coaches like Bellamy or Bennett with reputations for turning average players into champions have never seen this untapped potential in Brooks and had aired hot crack at signing him. 

The answer is pretty clear, those that really know about potential just don’t see it.

Melbourne tried to sign Brooks at one point.

 

You can 100% teach looking for cues in the defensive line that helps negate that lack of natural instinct. Cronk isn't a bad example of that, he was extremely process driven and didn't rely on a lot of natural instinct. 

When we tried to sign Ado-Carr Melbourne reportedly wanted Talau, or Noffa. No mention of Brooks, if they seriously wanted him they would have signed him years ago.

Cronk is actually a good example of Bellamy spotting potential and coaching him to greatness. I’m currently watching another Bellamy product in Nicho Hynes carving up the Dragons, a player we could have had a real go at signing if we weren’t obsessed as a club with persevering with a failed half back.

Harsh? Maybe but footy is a tough game and well run clubs make these calls. We need to stop collectively beating ourselves up over Brooks and just accept that we made a mistake retaining him and move on.

Key word in there is coaching.

I would say the key word is failed.


   
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@celtic_tiger 

 

I thought I would make my position on Brooks clear.

I think we should start looking for a new halfback and when he is found move on from Brooks (Madden has the next 3 weeks to show what he has to offer). This is for his own good as well as the good of the club.

I do not think that Luke Brooks has lived up to his potential, I don't think he is an intelligent footballer and I think his lack of development can be attributed to the club as much as it can be to Brooks himself.

I feel the club made the mistake of partnering him with Moses at a young age and this really had an impact on his development as he needed to be learning from an experienced playmaker to learn his craft.

He has also really been hampered by a real lack of quality coaching, the only time we had a decent coach he was playing good football.

 

My opinion is it is time to move on but that is the club's fault as well as Luke's which is why I'm still a little understanding of his situation.

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I thought I would make my position on Brooks clear.

I think we should start looking for a new halfback and when he is found move on from Brooks (Madden has the next 3 weeks to show what he has to offer). This is for his own good as well as the good of the club.

I do not think that Luke Brooks has lived up to his potential, I don't think he is an intelligent footballer and I think his lack of development can be attributed to the club as much as it can be to Brooks himself.

I feel the club made the mistake of partnering him with Moses at a young age and this really had an impact on his development as he needed to be learning from an experienced playmaker to learn his craft.

He has also really been hampered by a real lack of quality coaching, the only time we had a decent coach he was playing good football.

 

My opinion is it is time to move on but that is the club's fault as well as Luke's which is why I'm still a little understanding of his situation.

The frustration for me Garry is that no one at the club seems to see what is staring us all in the face, that it’s time to move Brooks on and was probably was two years ago at least. We seem to be doubling down on bad decisions and Madge’s comments don’t help.

I just don’t get the poor Luke narrative being peddled by the likes of Andrew Johns, others in the media and even amongst our own support.

He’s been paid way above his ability level and more than players who are far superior to him like, guys like Jerome Hughes and Nicho Hynes are earning much less and if the club are guilty of anything then it’s that they’ve been too loyal to a player who’s let them down time after time.

 


   
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@celtic_tiger 

 

I thought I would make my position on Brooks clear.

I think we should start looking for a new halfback and when he is found move on from Brooks (Madden has the next 3 weeks to show what he has to offer). This is for his own good as well as the good of the club.

I do not think that Luke Brooks has lived up to his potential, I don't think he is an intelligent footballer and I think his lack of development can be attributed to the club as much as it can be to Brooks himself.

I feel the club made the mistake of partnering him with Moses at a young age and this really had an impact on his development as he needed to be learning from an experienced playmaker to learn his craft.

He has also really been hampered by a real lack of quality coaching, the only time we had a decent coach he was playing good football.

 

My opinion is it is time to move on but that is the club's fault as well as Luke's which is why I'm still a little understanding of his situation.

The frustration for me Garry is that no one at the club seems to see what is staring us all in the face, that it’s time to move Brooks on and was probably was two years ago at least. We seem to be doubling down on bad decisions and Madge’s comments don’t help.

I just don’t get the poor Luke narrative being peddled by the likes of Andrew Johns, others in the media and even amongst our own support.

He’s been paid way above his ability level and more than players who are far superior to him like, guys like Jerome Hughes and Nicho Hynes are earning much less and if the club are guilty of anything then it’s that they’ve been too loyal to a player who’s let them down time after time.

 

I just have a little compassion for him as I believe the club is at least 50% responsible for where he ended up as a player. I think he put in the effort to become a better player but the club just didn't provide him with enough support.

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