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is he the future ? maybe if he was the future 6 he would be playing 6

He is a centre I think not a 6

Remember he was signed as a fullback and couldn't cut it at 1 and was moved into 6.

Last year we won more games with Douhie at centre than at 6

I don't think Brooks or Douhie are the answer at the club I would be letting both go in 2024 

I think AD is our best player and one of the only players we should entertain retaining. I think he has all the tools to make a quality 6 - the fact he's our best 6 currently when he's only had limited opportunities there gives an indication of what he could be with time. Brooks has had his chance in the 7 and the 6 and has failed at both. We can't entertain him being in the team in 2023 if we have any desire to play finals football.

As i've said before I don't blame Brooks for this. The WT as a club ruined him - but ruined he is nonetheless.


   
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We'll really miss Garner next year. Great person and he's just getting into his stride.   


   
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That's a fairly strong team for WT in our current time and space. Looking forward to AD having a big game in the centres - a la Burton style.
A shame that Parra got beat last week, no way we win this one!


   
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Looking forward to seeing how our 2 young forwards go this weekend. 

 

 


   
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Looking forward to seeing how our 2 young forwards go this weekend. 

 

 

i think we are going to see a number of these young guys given a go over the next couple of months. Probably a couple of games in first grade and then back down to NSW Cup while they give someone else a go.

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Brooks is our 6 for next year and contracted for 2023 

If so we mustn't be very keen on winning because he's hopeless.

and still our best option.

 


   
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@avocadoontoast thought Brooks played well at 6 against souths and Parramatta. I think 2023 having Api will also improve the team

Just think Burton plays a good centre role for nsw and Douhie can and should play the same type of centre role for us. Douhie does not have all the skills to be a 6 or a 1 but a good centre 

Brooks I am not sure about post 2023


   
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Posted by: @jedi-tiger

@avocadoontoast thought Brooks played well at 6 against souths and Parramatta. I think 2023 having Api will also improve the team

Just think Burton plays a good centre role for nsw and Douhie can and should play the same type of centre role for us. Douhie does not have all the skills to be a 6 or a 1 but a good centre 

Brooks I am not sure about post 2023

What skills does Brooks possess that AD does not? Doueihi has a better passing game, running game and kicking game. He also doesn’t turn to lettuce when the pressure is on.


   
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@avocadoontoast 

Brooks is our 6 for next year and contracted for 2023 

If so we mustn't be very keen on winning because he's hopeless.

and still our best option.

 

In your opinion. And I think you’re in the minority.


   
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@avocadoontoast 

Brooks is our 6 for next year and contracted for 2023 

If so we mustn't be very keen on winning because he's hopeless.

and still our best option.

 

In your opinion. And I think you’re in the minority.

I can form my own opinions and never follow the herd.

 

To answer the question that you asked Jedi, Brooks is faster by a long way (matters particularly with that sweep move that they have adopted with Hastings), better defender in the middle, Douiehi has not shown any short kicking game at all, AD's long/bomb kicking game is on a par with Brooks (not great), AD has a good long pass but no short passing game that he has shown and what is worse, and IMO the biggest problem with AD @ 6, he doesnt have a footy brain needed at 6. To be specific he has shown repeatedly (IMO) that he does not know when to pass, when to go long/short. AD has shown no evidence that he knows how to set up his 2RF or centre. Brooks passing game is very hit and miss, but still better than AD's.

 

AD has a better long pass, strong (but slow) running game, better spiral bomb (when he has the confidence to let it rip). IMO Brooks is better at everything else at 6 (and has still been poor).

 


   
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Posted by: @tiger5150
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@avocadoontoast 

Brooks is our 6 for next year and contracted for 2023 

If so we mustn't be very keen on winning because he's hopeless.

and still our best option.

 

In your opinion. And I think you’re in the minority.

I can form my own opinions and never follow the herd.

 

To answer the question that you asked Jedi, Brooks is faster by a long way (matters particularly with that sweep move that they have adopted with Hastings), better defender in the middle, Douiehi has not shown any short kicking game at all, AD's long/bomb kicking game is on a par with Brooks (not great), AD has a good long pass but no short passing game that he has shown and what is worse, and IMO the biggest problem with AD @ 6, he doesnt have a footy brain needed at 6. To be specific he has shown repeatedly (IMO) that he does not know when to pass, when to go long/short. AD has shown no evidence that he knows how to set up his 2RF or centre. Brooks passing game is very hit and miss, but still better than AD's.

 

AD has a better long pass, strong (but slow) running game, better spiral bomb (when he has the confidence to let it rip). IMO Brooks is better at everything else at 6 (and has still been poor).

 

All of the deficiencies of AD you mentioned are still better than Brooks. Brooks has no long or short kicking game. His passing game is non existent. His running game used to be good but now he doesn’t know when to run or pass because he isn’t an intelligent footballer.

 

further to that, AD had played less than a full season in the position, Brooks has had almost 200 games. Let’s give AD a season or two to develop and then cast our dispersions. Most of your criticisms (many of which I don’t agree with) come from lack of experience.

 

the key point is AD is completely untapped, but still more effective (imo) in the 6 than brooks.


   
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Posted by: @avocadoontoast
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@avocadoontoast 

Brooks is our 6 for next year and contracted for 2023 

If so we mustn't be very keen on winning because he's hopeless.

and still our best option.

 

In your opinion. And I think you’re in the minority.

I can form my own opinions and never follow the herd.

 

To answer the question that you asked Jedi, Brooks is faster by a long way (matters particularly with that sweep move that they have adopted with Hastings), better defender in the middle, Douiehi has not shown any short kicking game at all, AD's long/bomb kicking game is on a par with Brooks (not great), AD has a good long pass but no short passing game that he has shown and what is worse, and IMO the biggest problem with AD @ 6, he doesnt have a footy brain needed at 6. To be specific he has shown repeatedly (IMO) that he does not know when to pass, when to go long/short. AD has shown no evidence that he knows how to set up his 2RF or centre. Brooks passing game is very hit and miss, but still better than AD's.

 

AD has a better long pass, strong (but slow) running game, better spiral bomb (when he has the confidence to let it rip). IMO Brooks is better at everything else at 6 (and has still been poor).

 

All of the deficiencies of AD you mentioned are still better than Brooks. Brooks has no long or short kicking game. His passing game is non existent. His running game used to be good but now he doesn’t know when to run or pass because he isn’t an intelligent footballer.

 

further to that, AD had played less than a full season in the position, Brooks has had almost 200 games. Let’s give AD a season or two to develop and then cast our dispersions. Most of your criticisms (many of which I don’t agree with) come from lack of experience.

 

the key point is AD is completely untapped, but still more effective (imo) in the 6 than brooks.

To be honest, I would rather play AD at centre and then look for a better 6. We do however have this period we have left this season to give AD a go at 6 and I believe we will see that after this weekend.

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@avocadoontoast 

Brooks is our 6 for next year and contracted for 2023 

If so we mustn't be very keen on winning because he's hopeless.

and still our best option.

 

In your opinion. And I think you’re in the minority.

I can form my own opinions and never follow the herd.

 

To answer the question that you asked Jedi, Brooks is faster by a long way (matters particularly with that sweep move that they have adopted with Hastings), better defender in the middle, Douiehi has not shown any short kicking game at all, AD's long/bomb kicking game is on a par with Brooks (not great), AD has a good long pass but no short passing game that he has shown and what is worse, and IMO the biggest problem with AD @ 6, he doesnt have a footy brain needed at 6. To be specific he has shown repeatedly (IMO) that he does not know when to pass, when to go long/short. AD has shown no evidence that he knows how to set up his 2RF or centre. Brooks passing game is very hit and miss, but still better than AD's.

 

AD has a better long pass, strong (but slow) running game, better spiral bomb (when he has the confidence to let it rip). IMO Brooks is better at everything else at 6 (and has still been poor).

 

All of the deficiencies of AD you mentioned are still better than Brooks. Brooks has no long or short kicking game. His passing game is non existent. His running game used to be good but now he doesn’t know when to run or pass because he isn’t an intelligent footballer.

 

further to that, AD had played less than a full season in the position, Brooks has had almost 200 games. Let’s give AD a season or two to develop and then cast our dispersions. Most of your criticisms (many of which I don’t agree with) come from lack of experience.

 

the key point is AD is completely untapped, but still more effective (imo) in the 6 than brooks.

To be honest, I would rather play AD at centre and then look for a better 6. We do however have this period we have left this season to give AD a go at 6 and I believe we will see that after this weekend.

If we can grab a better 6 then throw AD in the centres, no issues at all. My point is I think he’s the best 6 we have now and that’s where he should be playing.


   
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@avocadoontoast 

Brooks is our 6 for next year and contracted for 2023 

If so we mustn't be very keen on winning because he's hopeless.

and still our best option.

 

In your opinion. And I think you’re in the minority.

I can form my own opinions and never follow the herd.

 

To answer the question that you asked Jedi, Brooks is faster by a long way (matters particularly with that sweep move that they have adopted with Hastings), better defender in the middle, Douiehi has not shown any short kicking game at all, AD's long/bomb kicking game is on a par with Brooks (not great), AD has a good long pass but no short passing game that he has shown and what is worse, and IMO the biggest problem with AD @ 6, he doesnt have a footy brain needed at 6. To be specific he has shown repeatedly (IMO) that he does not know when to pass, when to go long/short. AD has shown no evidence that he knows how to set up his 2RF or centre. Brooks passing game is very hit and miss, but still better than AD's.

 

AD has a better long pass, strong (but slow) running game, better spiral bomb (when he has the confidence to let it rip). IMO Brooks is better at everything else at 6 (and has still been poor).

 

All of the deficiencies of AD you mentioned are still better than Brooks. Brooks has no long or short kicking game. His passing game is non existent. His running game used to be good but now he doesn’t know when to run or pass because he isn’t an intelligent footballer.

 

further to that, AD had played less than a full season in the position, Brooks has had almost 200 games. Let’s give AD a season or two to develop and then cast our dispersions. Most of your criticisms (many of which I don’t agree with) come from lack of experience.

 

the key point is AD is completely untapped, but still more effective (imo) in the 6 than brooks.

I dont disagree with this. AD is young and undeveloped, no question.Depends if you want to win games now or "plan for the future". AD might also never develop a passing game. Its not a mechanics issue, its a "footy brain" issue and to a certain extent you've got it you havent. Not sure to what extent that can be coached, particularly with the coaches we have/have had. For all of the (usually justified) criticism, Brooks has at least at some stages of his career had these skills adn the knowledge. In juniors and even his early years in first grade. IMO its been coached out of him. Im not seeing it in AD.

 

I left one very big thing out in my post above. If you are considering who to put at 6 between Brooks & AD. AD is the best centre at the club.


   
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Burton makes a good centre and AD is as others have said the best centre the club has. Brooks has had some good games at 6 but Douhie is a very dangerous centre with his awkward running and passing. We have a very good long term centre 

Use Brooks money for 2024 to go and get a proper 6

Problem is Douhie wants to play 6 and if he plays centre I think he will go. Given his 2 injuries if he wants to go chase money then I don't blame him. 

 


   
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