The question is would we prefer
a) Madge and Brooks or
b) Flano Sr and Jr
im probably going option b to be honest, simply because we know option a doesn’t work
An option C would be more exciting
The question is would we prefer
a) Madge and Brooks or
b) Flano Sr and Jr
im probably going option b to be honest, simply because we know option a doesn’t work
A) always.
b) would have financial repercussions
With all due respect, if we’re 0 and 10 or something like that there’s no way Maguire can stay on. If we backed him in that position we truly would be a joke.
@helmesy we aren't 10-0 yet. lets cheer the team to win not to lose.
but yes I think if I was making the decision, I would be assessing on how the team is playing, not simply wins and loses.
Yes we have not won a game yet, but.....
We are actually not that far off 2018 when Cleary was coaching.
we are conceding on average 19 points a game - the same as in 2018
we are only scoring 10 points a game - but in 2018 Cleary's team was only scoring 16 points a game.
our defence - we are on average conceding 19 points a game. That's better than or equal to:
- Storm (19)
- Eels (23)
- Titans (20)
- Raiders (22)
- Warriors (20)
- Roosters (20)
- Dragons (24)
- Sea Eagles (22)
So we are equal 8th on the ladder for defence.
at 19 points a game we have improved our defence by 11 points a game on last year (from a small 4 game sample this year)
- 2021 (30 average conceded)
- 2020 (25 average conceded)
- 2019 (20 average conceded)
- 2018 (19 average conceded - Cleary)
- 2017 (24 average conceded - Cleary majority of season)
our attack - we are struggling - but I don't think we have played a game with the same spine this season?
The Newcastle game our spin had: Simpkin, Madden and Laurie - all less than a season's worth of experience.
So, we are only averaging 10 points a game in attack.
Which is equal or better than:
- Sea Eagles (10) - with turbo, shuster, saab &
- Bulldogs (9) - with fox, burton, etc
our attack at 10 points a game, is not far off the 16 average we had with Cleary in 2018 - and that's missing AD and mostly Hastings.
- 2021 (21 average conceded)
- 2020 (22 average conceded)
- 2019 (20 average conceded)
- 2018 (16 average conceded - Cleary)
- 2017 (17 average conceded - Cleary majority of season)
I'm not saying we are playing well and everything is rosy,
but I think if we look we can see there are areas where we are improving - we just have not got the wins.
at 0-4 - I can say the team are playing for the coach and that the defence has improved a lot.
the attack is shocking but as everyone has said, if hastings played the last 2 weeks, we win both games.
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if hastings played the last 2 weeks, we win both games.
It's actually easier than that - we don't drop two simple balls we win both. We're not going great but at this stage we're more competitive than we're given credit for. Take into account the guys out and our shallow depth and it's clear there's a much better effort this year.
With all due respect, if we’re 0 and 10 or something like that there’s no way Maguire can stay on. If we backed him in that position we truly would be a joke.
@helmesy we aren't 10-0 yet. lets cheer the team to win not to lose.
but yes I think if I was making the decision, I would be assessing on how the team is playing, not simply wins and loses.
Yes we have not won a game yet, but.....
We are actually not that far off 2018 when Cleary was coaching.
we are conceding on average 19 points a game - the same as in 2018
we are only scoring 10 points a game - but in 2018 Cleary's team was only scoring 16 points a game.
our defence - we are on average conceding 19 points a game. That's better than or equal to:
- Storm (19)
- Eels (23)
- Titans (20)
- Raiders (22)
- Warriors (20)
- Roosters (20)
- Dragons (24)
- Sea Eagles (22)
So we are equal 8th on the ladder for defence.
at 19 points a game we have improved our defence by 11 points a game on last year (from a small 4 game sample this year)
- 2021 (30 average conceded)
- 2020 (25 average conceded)
- 2019 (20 average conceded)
- 2018 (19 average conceded - Cleary)
- 2017 (24 average conceded - Cleary majority of season)
our attack - we are struggling - but I don't think we have played a game with the same spine this season?
The Newcastle game our spin had: Simpkin, Madden and Laurie - all less than a season's worth of experience.
So, we are only averaging 10 points a game in attack.
Which is equal or better than:
- Sea Eagles (10) - with turbo, shuster, saab &
- Bulldogs (9) - with fox, burton, etc
our attack at 10 points a game, is not far off the 16 average we had with Cleary in 2018 - and that's missing AD and mostly Hastings.
- 2021 (21 average conceded)
- 2020 (22 average conceded)
- 2019 (20 average conceded)
- 2018 (16 average conceded - Cleary)
- 2017 (17 average conceded - Cleary majority of season)
I'm not saying we are playing well and everything is rosy,
but I think if we look we can see there are areas where we are improving - we just have not got the wins.
at 0-4 - I can say the team are playing for the coach and that the defence has improved a lot.
the attack is shocking but as everyone has said, if hastings played the last 2 weeks, we win both games.
I can’t take one positive out of the season thus far, nor out of the 3 and a bit years of his coaching. Maybe when we’re 0-10 or 0-12 or 0-20 people can finally realise the man can’t coach. It’s just a nightmare that keeps getting worse and I’m close to the stage where I’m going to clock out until they finally kick him out of the building.
With all due respect, if we’re 0 and 10 or something like that there’s no way Maguire can stay on. If we backed him in that position we truly would be a joke.
@helmesy we aren't 10-0 yet. lets cheer the team to win not to lose.
but yes I think if I was making the decision, I would be assessing on how the team is playing, not simply wins and loses.
Yes we have not won a game yet, but.....
We are actually not that far off 2018 when Cleary was coaching.
we are conceding on average 19 points a game - the same as in 2018
we are only scoring 10 points a game - but in 2018 Cleary's team was only scoring 16 points a game.
our defence - we are on average conceding 19 points a game. That's better than or equal to:
- Storm (19)
- Eels (23)
- Titans (20)
- Raiders (22)
- Warriors (20)
- Roosters (20)
- Dragons (24)
- Sea Eagles (22)
So we are equal 8th on the ladder for defence.
at 19 points a game we have improved our defence by 11 points a game on last year (from a small 4 game sample this year)
- 2021 (30 average conceded)
- 2020 (25 average conceded)
- 2019 (20 average conceded)
- 2018 (19 average conceded - Cleary)
- 2017 (24 average conceded - Cleary majority of season)
our attack - we are struggling - but I don't think we have played a game with the same spine this season?
The Newcastle game our spin had: Simpkin, Madden and Laurie - all less than a season's worth of experience.
So, we are only averaging 10 points a game in attack.
Which is equal or better than:
- Sea Eagles (10) - with turbo, shuster, saab &
- Bulldogs (9) - with fox, burton, etc
our attack at 10 points a game, is not far off the 16 average we had with Cleary in 2018 - and that's missing AD and mostly Hastings.
- 2021 (21 average conceded)
- 2020 (22 average conceded)
- 2019 (20 average conceded)
- 2018 (16 average conceded - Cleary)
- 2017 (17 average conceded - Cleary majority of season)
I'm not saying we are playing well and everything is rosy,
but I think if we look we can see there are areas where we are improving - we just have not got the wins.
at 0-4 - I can say the team are playing for the coach and that the defence has improved a lot.
the attack is shocking but as everyone has said, if hastings played the last 2 weeks, we win both games.
Great post!!
Couple of thoughts:
If we are not satisfied with what Brooks offers then Flanagan is not the answer. Brooks laps him in every facet of the game imo.
We talk of constant mismanagement over the years. If the club sacks Maguire now, after passing on the opportunity to do so during the off season then they deserve all the ridicule that will come their way. I think Madge’s time is done but the professional, least disruptive and efficient way to change coaches would be in between seasons.
Couple of thoughts:
If we are not satisfied with what Brooks offers then Flanagan is not the answer. Brooks laps him in every facet of the game imo.
We talk of constant mismanagement over the years. If the club sacks Maguire now, after passing on the opportunity to do so during the off season then they deserve all the ridicule that will come their way. I think Madge’s time is done but the professional, least disruptive and efficient way to change coaches would be in between seasons.
Most professional maybe, but I wouldn't be waiting until the end of the season to make a decision.
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Couple of thoughts:
If we are not satisfied with what Brooks offers then Flanagan is not the answer. Brooks laps him in every facet of the game imo.
We talk of constant mismanagement over the years. If the club sacks Maguire now, after passing on the opportunity to do so during the off season then they deserve all the ridicule that will come their way. I think Madge’s time is done but the professional, least disruptive and efficient way to change coaches would be in between seasons.
That would ruin our recruitment for next year though. Sharks made the right move getting rid of Morris last year early in the season and signing Fitzgibbon. It meant they had a plan and structure in place for this year and they could recruit accordingly.
we don’t have another year to waste, the best time to get rid of Maguire was last year, the next best is right now.
on your other point, I don’t think Flanagan is a good player but at the moment Brooks is no better. 2018 Brooks laps Flanagan but not this year. I’d be happy just to release Brooks
a) Madge and Brooks or
b) Flano Sr and Jr
im probably going option b to be honest, simply because we know option a doesn’t work
I'll follow the club regardless but it's hard to see the Flanagan option being superior.
Kyle was let go by the Roosters and can't get a run at the wooden spooners. He's probably a bit like Brooks - has ability but is too reserved and patchy to get you too far. Shane had success in the same manner as Madge and there's a real question over whether the game has changed sufficiently enough to make that style redundant.
Other than to satisfy the Brooks and Madge detractors, I'm not seeing a real upside. With ANY change of coach it's common to see a bounce in the team's performances but it's usually short lived and unlikely to be a long term success option for a club in our position.
@avocadoontoast don’t want to get into yet another Brooks debate but I do think he’s been pretty good this year. Two deft kicks in the warriors game should have led to tries if not for garbage refereeing and a lost contact lense!! Thought he was controlling the back end of game well Thursday night until we took that shot at goal.
I keep saying, I’m not an ardent Brooks supporter, I just think he is better than he is given credit for. Swap him for a proven, experienced game organising half and I’m all in. Swap him for Flanagan and we will all soon realise what we have lost.
Couple of thoughts:
If we are not satisfied with what Brooks offers then Flanagan is not the answer. Brooks laps him in every facet of the game imo.
We talk of constant mismanagement over the years. If the club sacks Maguire now, after passing on the opportunity to do so during the off season then they deserve all the ridicule that will come their way. I think Madge’s time is done but the professional, least disruptive and efficient way to change coaches would be in between seasons.
Agreed. Replacing Brooks with a reserve grader from another team is just a ridiculous idea.
Madge will get an extension as the team improves and shows backbone. Our defence has been outstanding, attack will follow. Pity Hastings is out for another week, he would make a difference.
Many putting a lot on Hastings
He was available for our 1st 2 losses and actually began the rot in game 2 ....
