I wonder if we hear something today? You would think either way a press release has to come out today, Monday is leaving things a bit late I would think.
I’m expecting a release saying business as usual, review has found we need to invest in another forward, something like that.
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I wonder if we hear something today? You would think either way a press release has to come out today, Monday is leaving things a bit late I would think.
I’m expecting a release saying business as usual, review has found we need to invest in another forward, something like that.
Logically one would think he's gone. But my concern is this is WT, and they rarely make the right decision.
I wonder if we hear something today? You would think either way a press release has to come out today, Monday is leaving things a bit late I would think.
I’m expecting a release saying business as usual, review has found we need to invest in another forward, something like that.
Logically one would think he's gone. But my concern is this is WT, and they rarely make the right decision.
Maybe that’s why they are a bit gun shy to make a decision here - worried about making another stuff up so avoiding a decision?
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I wonder if we hear something today? You would think either way a press release has to come out today, Monday is leaving things a bit late I would think.
I’m expecting a release saying business as usual, review has found we need to invest in another forward, something like that.
Logically one would think he's gone. But my concern is this is WT, and they rarely make the right decision.
Maybe that’s why they are a bit gun shy to make a decision here - worried about making another stuff up so avoiding a decision?
I’d be more than a tad gun shy if it means the Dolphins or whichever club offers a massive contract to Jackson Hastings,or how it might affect the signatures of Api K and Papali’i.Potentially the whole house of cards can come tumbling down.Can we really afford to start another rebuild,because that is in essence what you’re creating when you replace your coach.I think it would be somewhat unrealistic to expect a seamless transition if Madge does get terminated.
I wonder if we hear something today? You would think either way a press release has to come out today, Monday is leaving things a bit late I would think.
I’m expecting a release saying business as usual, review has found we need to invest in another forward, something like that.
Logically one would think he's gone. But my concern is this is WT, and they rarely make the right decision.
Maybe that’s why they are a bit gun shy to make a decision here - worried about making another stuff up so avoiding a decision?
I’d be more than a tad gun shy if it means the Dolphins or whichever club offers a massive contract to Jackson Hastings,or how it might affect the signatures of Api K and Papali’i.Potentially the whole house of cards can come tumbling down.Can we really afford to start another rebuild,because that is in essence what you’re creating when you replace your coach.I think it would be somewhat unrealistic to expect a seamless transition if Madge does get terminated.
I think there's been a bit of paranoia around everyone leaving if Madge isn't the coach. Can you remember a time where a player has backed out of their contract because there has been a change in coach?
Furthermore if we got Ciraldo, why on Earth would these players not want to play for one of the most highly touted young coaches in the game? Api would already have a relationship with him now given he's assistant coach at Penrith. Hastings has another year left on his contract.
Let's all calm down - no players are backing out or going elsewhere.
Weekend Read: Why Wests Tigers is the right spot for Cameron Ciraldo
Cameron Ciraldo seemingly has his pick of a number of NRL coaching jobs – Brent Read rates the contenders and comes to a surprising conclusion.
Brent Read
Give me a choice right now and I take the Wests Tigers.
For all their problems in recent years – their lack of finals football, their salary cap issues, their turbulence on and off the field – I would walk into the Tigers convinced that they are on the verge of something.
Can you say the same thing about Canterbury? Or the Warriors for that matter?
These are the questions Cameron Ciraldo may have to contemplate in coming weeks as he sits down to make a decision on his future.
There is every chance the Tigers job could become vacant within days, and Ciraldo would be the hot favourite for the position should the club decide to move on from Michael Maguire.
The Bulldogs are expected to consider Ciraldo as well. So too the Warriors if they part ways with Nathan Brown at the end of the season and scour the ranks of the NRL for someone who can finally awake the sleeping giant.
It’s the Tigers, however, for me.
The same Tigers that this columnist has been critical of in recent years. Called them a basket case a few years back. That went down well.
Angered their fans at one point by suggesting they were going nowhere fast. Didn’t that set off Tigers fans on social media.
At one point, may even have suggested the game could do worse than look to relocate the Tigers rather than expand to 17 teams. Tigers fans really didn’t like that one.
At the time, I would argue the criticism was justified. They were paddling water, flirting with the finals only to come up short time and time again. Hope was dwindling.
They haven’t played finals for a decade and the table may tell a different story, but they look to be heading in the right direction.
They have a Centre of Excellence on the verge of being open. All told, it will cost north of $50 million. They have Isaiah Papali’i and Api Koroisau on their way next season. And they have junior stocks that are bursting with talent.
They have green shoots everywhere.
Canterbury have an affluent leagues club and cap space in 2024, but they also have Phil Gould and working alongside the club’s head of football isn’t always easy.
It should be, given his acumen and intelligence. But it isn’t. History has proved that. If you’re still not convinced, just call Anthony Griffin and Ivan Cleary.
The Warriors have the ambition to pursue Ciraldo. Before they lured Brown to the club, they had a red-hot go at Craig Fitzgibbon.
There are some who would tell you that they almost had him too. Brown got the job and he appears on thin ice. Take that job and you have a whole country at your beck and call.
Still, if I am Ciraldo and I have all three jobs at my disposal, I like the Tigers and the direction they are heading.
Ciraldo will likely have the final say and he may end up staying at Penrith as an assistant coach to Ivan Cleary. He doesn’t appear like a man in a hurry. Never really has. His first grade career was restricted to only 94 first grade games pockmarked by serious injury.
Patience was required to overcome a badly broken fibula – teammates were forced to look away after he broke it in four places while playing against the Sharks – and a lacerated pancreas, the latter suffered while representing Italy.
The injury happened 15 minutes before he was due to draw the curtain on his career. A couple more millimetres and it could have been infinitely more serious. A couple more hours and Ciraldo would have been in dire straits.
His rise was rapid at Penrith after he was offered a job on the coaching staff initially by Cleary, who liked what he saw when Ciraldo spent time with the Panthers’ SG Ball side while injured.
Cleary and Gould, then the Panthers head of football, kept Ciraldo around. He worked in the welfare department before slipping into a coaching role. At one point, he was eyeing off a place in the fire department, but got rejected.
He focused on his work with Penrith and he has been there ever since. Many will tell you he is as responsible for the Panthers’ recent success as Cleary himself.
The players swear by him. The club would love to keep him. They hope that they can convince him to remain patient, bathe in the Panthers’ glory days, and eventually walk into a plum job.
He would seem to have the tools to be a coaching star. The question now is whether it is time to leave. If he decides it is, and the opportunity arises, it is the Tigers for me.
Weekend Read: Why Wests Tigers is the right spot for Cameron Ciraldo
Cameron Ciraldo seemingly has his pick of a number of NRL coaching jobs – Brent Read rates the contenders and comes to a surprising conclusion.
Brent Read
Give me a choice right now and I take the Wests Tigers.
For all their problems in recent years – their lack of finals football, their salary cap issues, their turbulence on and off the field – I would walk into the Tigers convinced that they are on the verge of something.
Can you say the same thing about Canterbury? Or the Warriors for that matter?
These are the questions Cameron Ciraldo may have to contemplate in coming weeks as he sits down to make a decision on his future.
There is every chance the Tigers job could become vacant within days, and Ciraldo would be the hot favourite for the position should the club decide to move on from Michael Maguire.
The Bulldogs are expected to consider Ciraldo as well. So too the Warriors if they part ways with Nathan Brown at the end of the season and scour the ranks of the NRL for someone who can finally awake the sleeping giant.
It’s the Tigers, however, for me.
The same Tigers that this columnist has been critical of in recent years. Called them a basket case a few years back. That went down well.
Angered their fans at one point by suggesting they were going nowhere fast. Didn’t that set off Tigers fans on social media.
At one point, may even have suggested the game could do worse than look to relocate the Tigers rather than expand to 17 teams. Tigers fans really didn’t like that one.
At the time, I would argue the criticism was justified. They were paddling water, flirting with the finals only to come up short time and time again. Hope was dwindling.
They haven’t played finals for a decade and the table may tell a different story, but they look to be heading in the right direction.
They have a Centre of Excellence on the verge of being open. All told, it will cost north of $50 million. They have Isaiah Papali’i and Api Koroisau on their way next season. And they have junior stocks that are bursting with talent.
They have green shoots everywhere.
Canterbury have an affluent leagues club and cap space in 2024, but they also have Phil Gould and working alongside the club’s head of football isn’t always easy.
It should be, given his acumen and intelligence. But it isn’t. History has proved that. If you’re still not convinced, just call Anthony Griffin and Ivan Cleary.
The Warriors have the ambition to pursue Ciraldo. Before they lured Brown to the club, they had a red-hot go at Craig Fitzgibbon.
There are some who would tell you that they almost had him too. Brown got the job and he appears on thin ice. Take that job and you have a whole country at your beck and call.
Still, if I am Ciraldo and I have all three jobs at my disposal, I like the Tigers and the direction they are heading.
Ciraldo will likely have the final say and he may end up staying at Penrith as an assistant coach to Ivan Cleary. He doesn’t appear like a man in a hurry. Never really has. His first grade career was restricted to only 94 first grade games pockmarked by serious injury.
Patience was required to overcome a badly broken fibula – teammates were forced to look away after he broke it in four places while playing against the Sharks – and a lacerated pancreas, the latter suffered while representing Italy.
The injury happened 15 minutes before he was due to draw the curtain on his career. A couple more millimetres and it could have been infinitely more serious. A couple more hours and Ciraldo would have been in dire straits.
His rise was rapid at Penrith after he was offered a job on the coaching staff initially by Cleary, who liked what he saw when Ciraldo spent time with the Panthers’ SG Ball side while injured.
Cleary and Gould, then the Panthers head of football, kept Ciraldo around. He worked in the welfare department before slipping into a coaching role. At one point, he was eyeing off a place in the fire department, but got rejected.
He focused on his work with Penrith and he has been there ever since. Many will tell you he is as responsible for the Panthers’ recent success as Cleary himself.
The players swear by him. The club would love to keep him. They hope that they can convince him to remain patient, bathe in the Panthers’ glory days, and eventually walk into a plum job.
He would seem to have the tools to be a coaching star. The question now is whether it is time to leave. If he decides it is, and the opportunity arises, it is the Tigers for me.
A rookie coach won’t last 5 minutes with the Wests Tigers. Management will eat them. He’ll become another Potter or Barrett et al and sail into the wilderness.
I wonder if we hear something today? You would think either way a press release has to come out today, Monday is leaving things a bit late I would think.
I’m expecting a release saying business as usual, review has found we need to invest in another forward, something like that.
Logically one would think he's gone. But my concern is this is WT, and they rarely make the right decision.
Maybe that’s why they are a bit gun shy to make a decision here - worried about making another stuff up so avoiding a decision?
I’d be more than a tad gun shy if it means the Dolphins or whichever club offers a massive contract to Jackson Hastings,or how it might affect the signatures of Api K and Papali’i.Potentially the whole house of cards can come tumbling down.Can we really afford to start another rebuild,because that is in essence what you’re creating when you replace your coach.I think it would be somewhat unrealistic to expect a seamless transition if Madge does get terminated.
I think there's been a bit of paranoia around everyone leaving if Madge isn't the coach. Can you remember a time where a player has backed out of their contract because there has been a change in coach?
Furthermore if we got Ciraldo, why on Earth would these players not want to play for one of the most highly touted young coaches in the game? Api would already have a relationship with him now given he's assistant coach at Penrith. Hastings has another year left on his contract.
Let's all calm down - no players are backing out or going elsewhere.
I’m as calm as you like @Avo and not feeling paranoia.I’m just presenting potential outcomes.Cause and effect.Unlike you,I believe that Madge should see out his tenure.You’re well entitled to your opinion,it just doesn’t happen to coincide with mine.
I don’t see how you can confidently predict what happens if Madge goes.There is an array of possibilities and amongst those is the fact that Jackson Hastings is free to negotiate this November.How can you be certain he’s not going anywhere?
Hastings has been a revelation for us,and it would be a travesty to lose him at the height of his powers,especially after all the dramas surrounding the WTs No.7.There is every possibility he could walk if Madge is Basil Brushed.How would you feel about that,even though he has another year to run?
@mike I actually think that the Tigers management is quite stable. They’ve given Madge 4 years to prove himself which is a lot more than other coaches have gotten from other clubs.
@mike I actually think that the Tigers management is quite stable. They’ve given Madge 4 years to prove himself which is a lot more than other coaches have gotten from other clubs.
Yeah but Madge has a strong personality and runs on the board. He knows what is required. A rookie will be fodder for the different personalities within the Board and Management.
I wonder if we hear something today? You would think either way a press release has to come out today, Monday is leaving things a bit late I would think.
I’m expecting a release saying business as usual, review has found we need to invest in another forward, something like that.
Logically one would think he's gone. But my concern is this is WT, and they rarely make the right decision.
Maybe that’s why they are a bit gun shy to make a decision here - worried about making another stuff up so avoiding a decision?
I’d be more than a tad gun shy if it means the Dolphins or whichever club offers a massive contract to Jackson Hastings,or how it might affect the signatures of Api K and Papali’i.Potentially the whole house of cards can come tumbling down.Can we really afford to start another rebuild,because that is in essence what you’re creating when you replace your coach.I think it would be somewhat unrealistic to expect a seamless transition if Madge does get terminated.
I think there's been a bit of paranoia around everyone leaving if Madge isn't the coach. Can you remember a time where a player has backed out of their contract because there has been a change in coach?
Furthermore if we got Ciraldo, why on Earth would these players not want to play for one of the most highly touted young coaches in the game? Api would already have a relationship with him now given he's assistant coach at Penrith. Hastings has another year left on his contract.
Let's all calm down - no players are backing out or going elsewhere.
I’m as calm as you like @Avo and not feeling paranoia.I’m just presenting potential outcomes.Cause and effect.Unlike you,I believe that Madge should see out his tenure.You’re well entitled to your opinion,it just doesn’t happen to coincide with mine.
I don’t see how you can confidently predict what happens if Madge goes.There is an array of possibilities and amongst those is the fact that Jackson Hastings is free to negotiate this November.How can you be certain he’s not going anywhere?
Hastings has been a revelation for us,and it would be a travesty to lose him at the height of his powers,especially after all the dramas surrounding the WTs No.7.There is every possibility he could walk if Madge is Basil Brushed.How would you feel about that,even though he has another year to run?
I wasn't calling you out for being paranoid specifically - it was more a general comment at the worry of people leaving and/or backflipping. Apologies if it came across that way.
To be honest I think Hastings is a very good player but if he goes it won't bother me all that much. In saying that, if someone like Ciraldo comes on board who's to say Hastings and he won't get along? We have Hastings for this year and next year so it gives him time to see if he likes the new coach or not.
@mike I actually think that the Tigers management is quite stable. They’ve given Madge 4 years to prove himself which is a lot more than other coaches have gotten from other clubs.
Yeah but Madge has a strong personality and runs on the board. He knows what is required. A rookie will be fodder for the different personalities within the Board and Management.
I would agree with you if Sheens wasn't there. But ultimately he's the one that will deal with management and the board. It's actually a good set up for a rookie coaching coming in.
I wonder if we hear something today? You would think either way a press release has to come out today, Monday is leaving things a bit late I would think.
I’m expecting a release saying business as usual, review has found we need to invest in another forward, something like that.
Logically one would think he's gone. But my concern is this is WT, and they rarely make the right decision.
Maybe that’s why they are a bit gun shy to make a decision here - worried about making another stuff up so avoiding a decision?
I’d be more than a tad gun shy if it means the Dolphins or whichever club offers a massive contract to Jackson Hastings,or how it might affect the signatures of Api K and Papali’i.Potentially the whole house of cards can come tumbling down.Can we really afford to start another rebuild,because that is in essence what you’re creating when you replace your coach.I think it would be somewhat unrealistic to expect a seamless transition if Madge does get terminated.
I think there's been a bit of paranoia around everyone leaving if Madge isn't the coach. Can you remember a time where a player has backed out of their contract because there has been a change in coach?
Furthermore if we got Ciraldo, why on Earth would these players not want to play for one of the most highly touted young coaches in the game? Api would already have a relationship with him now given he's assistant coach at Penrith. Hastings has another year left on his contract.
Let's all calm down - no players are backing out or going elsewhere.
I’m as calm as you like @Avo and not feeling paranoia.I’m just presenting potential outcomes.Cause and effect.Unlike you,I believe that Madge should see out his tenure.You’re well entitled to your opinion,it just doesn’t happen to coincide with mine.
I don’t see how you can confidently predict what happens if Madge goes.There is an array of possibilities and amongst those is the fact that Jackson Hastings is free to negotiate this November.How can you be certain he’s not going anywhere?
Hastings has been a revelation for us,and it would be a travesty to lose him at the height of his powers,especially after all the dramas surrounding the WTs No.7.There is every possibility he could walk if Madge is Basil Brushed.How would you feel about that,even though he has another year to run?
I wasn't calling you out for being paranoid specifically - it was more a general comment at the worry of people leaving and/or backflipping. Apologies if it came across that way.
To be honest I think Hastings is a very good player but if he goes it won't bother me all that much. In saying that, if someone like Ciraldo comes on board who's to say Hastings and he won't get along? We have Hastings for this year and next year so it gives him time to see if he likes the new coach or not.
All good Avo no apology needed mate,and no offence taken.That’s why the Podcast Forum works and a rational debate can be had.You make a good point re Api and Ciraldo,but overall I just feel that Madge should see it out.
@mike I actually think that the Tigers management is quite stable. They’ve given Madge 4 years to prove himself which is a lot more than other coaches have gotten from other clubs.
Yeah but Madge has a strong personality and runs on the board. He knows what is required. A rookie will be fodder for the different personalities within the Board and Management.
I would agree with you if Sheens wasn't there. But ultimately he's the one that will deal with management and the board. It's actually a good set up for a rookie coaching coming in.
This is correct, especially if he’s Sheens choice.
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Anyway, I understand there’s a meeting happening now, might all be moot.
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