If we can get Ciraldo, I think it becomes an easy decision to move Madge on.
Lots of talk about Ciraldo. Can I ask: apart from being the media’s current darling, what has he actually accomplished as a coach?
It concerns me sometimes that we start to believe something to be true just because it’s repeated relentlessly by the media.
He was NYC coach of the year in 2015 and 2016 winning 2 minor premierships and one premiership, has won more NRL finals matches than Maguire in the last 5 years. He has a pretty good lower grade coaching record but had some very good players in those teams. Was heavily involved in the Penrith pathways system and the Panthers Academy, that has produced some outstanding players. As a fulltime coach, who knows but he does have some good credentials.
The same was said about Garth Brenann
Newcastle NYC Head Coach
- 2011 - made finals for first time
Panthers NYC Head coach
- 2012 - took to finals first year - named NYC coach of the year
- 2013 - coach NYC to first premiership
Panthers NSW Cup
- 2014 - coached NSW Cup premiership
- 2017 - coached NSW Cup premiership
Panther NRL side
- 2016 - become NRL assistant
Gold Coast NRL side
- Oct 2017 - appointed Gold Coast NRL Head coach
- July 2019 - terminated
Barrett much the same story - expect he's had 2 cracks at it.
Adam O'Brien was also the next big assistant at the Roosters- struggling at Knights
Being an assistant at a great team- is very different to being Head coach of a bottom 8 team
Top 8 2023
Lots of talk about Ciraldo. Can I ask: apart from being the media’s current darling, what has he actually accomplished as a coach?
It concerns me sometimes that we start to believe something to be true just because it’s repeated relentlessly by the media.
He was NYC coach of the year in 2015 and 2016 winning 2 minor premierships and one premiership, has won more NRL finals matches than Maguire in the last 5 years. He has a pretty good lower grade coaching record but had some very good players in those teams. Was heavily involved in the Penrith pathways system and the Panthers Academy, that has produced some outstanding players. As a fulltime coach, who knows but he does have some good credentials.
The same was said about Garth Brenann
Newcastle NYC Head Coach
- 2011 - made finals for first time
Panthers NYC Head coach
- 2012 - took to finals first year - named NYC coach of the year
- 2013 - coach NYC to first premiership
Panthers NSW Cup
- 2014 - coached NSW Cup premiership
- 2017 - coached NSW Cup premiership
Panther NRL side
- 2016 - become NRL assistant
Gold Coast NRL side
- Oct 2017 - appointed Gold Coast NRL Head coach
- July 2019 - terminated
Barrett much the same story - expect he's had 2 cracks at it.
Adam O'Brien was also the next big assistant at the Roosters- struggling at Knights
Being an assistant at a great team- is very different to being Head coach of a bottom 8 team
And being a head coach at a great team is very different to being a head coach at a bottom 8 team which Madge has shown.
In memory of Geoff Chisholm (1965-2022)
I don’t mind appointing someone like a Ciraldo. These inexperienced coaches can be great or a total flop but worth the risk. Fitzgibbon is dong well at the Sharks.
Ciraldo should help us recruit the next generation of panthers players that are blocked
Ciraldo should help us recruit the next generation of panthers players that are blocked
Like Blore, Laurie & Naden? 😁
But seriously, are we picking a coach ion their ability to attract players from other well run clubs?
I thought we are aiming to be a development club that creates our own players?
Top 8 2023
All this speculation has had me thinking, what would I expect to change this year with a change of coach? I wouldn't expect massive improvement in attack or defence to be honest. Typically, I would generally hope for an increase in effort and commitment and I my memory of the change over from Taylor this was the hope and what we got.
Trouble is, I think the effort and commitment is there already right now. Sure there could be better strategy, tactics, use of the bench etc, but these things arent going to manifest in a week, they will need best part of a year and definitely an offseason to kick in.
My point being, I dont see a new coach getting more effort or commitment out of the team where as we did with previous changeovers.
How many of the other clubs are having a mid season review ...answer nil
All this speculation has had me thinking, what would I expect to change this year with a change of coach? I wouldn't expect massive improvement in attack or defence to be honest. Typically, I would generally hope for an increase in effort and commitment and I my memory of the change over from Taylor this was the hope and what we got.
Trouble is, I think the effort and commitment is there already right now. Sure there could be better strategy, tactics, use of the bench etc, but these things arent going to manifest in a week, they will need best part of a year and definitely an offseason to kick in.
My point being, I dont see a new coach getting more effort or commitment out of the team where as we did with previous changeovers.
How many of the other clubs are having a mid season review ...answer nil
You can put that down to a dysfunctional board and our basic charter.The very purpose of a board is to scrutinise and direct policy,and calling for a mid season review in a sense is an admission of its own shortcomings.Having said that,Rugby League is an inexact science,a high collision,heavy impact sport.You can’t be applying KPIs and business principles to the horrendous run of injuries we’ve endured.
In my opinion it’s pretty damned obvious as to where we’re at.It’s so rudimentary,and applying a mid season review is bordering on the laughable.
My summation is we started the year with an injury compromised squad and through the course of the year we’re further compromised by it.In a nutshell that’s basically it(while we wait for the ACLs to mend).
I’m highly optimistic that when the injury pendulum swings we’ll see a major turnaround,and to me the sacking of Madge would be absolute madness as to the potential effect it might have on our squad.We have a halfback!!And don’t compromise that,at our peril.
I’m seeing a great rebuild right here,right now......do we really want to go back to the drawing boards?
All this speculation has had me thinking, what would I expect to change this year with a change of coach? I wouldn't expect massive improvement in attack or defence to be honest. Typically, I would generally hope for an increase in effort and commitment and I my memory of the change over from Taylor this was the hope and what we got.
Trouble is, I think the effort and commitment is there already right now. Sure there could be better strategy, tactics, use of the bench etc, but these things arent going to manifest in a week, they will need best part of a year and definitely an offseason to kick in.
My point being, I dont see a new coach getting more effort or commitment out of the team where as we did with previous changeovers.
How many of the other clubs are having a mid season review ...answer nil
You can put that down to a dysfunctional board and our basic charter.The very purpose of a board is to scrutinise and direct policy,and calling for a mid season review in a sense is an admission of its own shortcomings.Having said that,Rugby League is an inexact science,a high collision,heavy impact sport.You can’t be applying KPIs and business principles to the horrendous run of injuries we’ve endured.
In my opinion it’s pretty damned obvious as to where we’re at.It’s so rudimentary,and applying a mid season review is bordering on the laughable.
My summation is we started the year with an injury compromised squad and through the course of the year we’re further compromised by it.In a nutshell that’s basically it(while we wait for the ACLs to mend).
I’m highly optimistic that when the injury pendulum swings we’ll see a major turnaround,and to me the sacking of Madge would be absolute madness as to the potential effect it might have on our squad.We have a halfback!!And don’t compromise that,at our peril.
I’m seeing a great rebuild right here,right now......do we really want to go back to the drawing boards?
Our board and it's chairman is as usual trying to win a popularity contest ...to hell with might be right or wrong ....
I don’t mind appointing someone like a Ciraldo. These inexperienced coaches can be great or a total flop but worth the risk. Fitzgibbon is dong well at the Sharks.
But Madge would do well at the Sharks .....most coaches would
With all the talk around Ciraldo I’m starting to think he was the plan all along. He wanted to see out his contract last year so we gave Madge more time - but now supposedly Ciraldo’s interest has increased so we’re eager to make the change.
All this speculation has had me thinking, what would I expect to change this year with a change of coach? I wouldn't expect massive improvement in attack or defence to be honest. Typically, I would generally hope for an increase in effort and commitment and I my memory of the change over from Taylor this was the hope and what we got.
Trouble is, I think the effort and commitment is there already right now. Sure there could be better strategy, tactics, use of the bench etc, but these things arent going to manifest in a week, they will need best part of a year and definitely an offseason to kick in.
My point being, I dont see a new coach getting more effort or commitment out of the team where as we did with previous changeovers.
How many of the other clubs are having a mid season review ...answer nil
You can put that down to a dysfunctional board and our basic charter.The very purpose of a board is to scrutinise and direct policy,and calling for a mid season review in a sense is an admission of its own shortcomings.Having said that,Rugby League is an inexact science,a high collision,heavy impact sport.You can’t be applying KPIs and business principles to the horrendous run of injuries we’ve endured.
In my opinion it’s pretty damned obvious as to where we’re at.It’s so rudimentary,and applying a mid season review is bordering on the laughable.
My summation is we started the year with an injury compromised squad and through the course of the year we’re further compromised by it.In a nutshell that’s basically it(while we wait for the ACLs to mend).
I’m highly optimistic that when the injury pendulum swings we’ll see a major turnaround,and to me the sacking of Madge would be absolute madness as to the potential effect it might have on our squad.We have a halfback!!And don’t compromise that,at our peril.
I’m seeing a great rebuild right here,right now......do we really want to go back to the drawing boards?
Great post
I can just hear it now: “so Tigers finished 14th in 2023 but to be fair our coach needs to build his own roster. We hope to make the eight by 2026
All this speculation has had me thinking, what would I expect to change this year with a change of coach? I wouldn't expect massive improvement in attack or defence to be honest. Typically, I would generally hope for an increase in effort and commitment and I my memory of the change over from Taylor this was the hope and what we got.
Trouble is, I think the effort and commitment is there already right now. Sure there could be better strategy, tactics, use of the bench etc, but these things arent going to manifest in a week, they will need best part of a year and definitely an offseason to kick in.
My point being, I dont see a new coach getting more effort or commitment out of the team where as we did with previous changeovers.
How many of the other clubs are having a mid season review ...answer nil
You can put that down to a dysfunctional board and our basic charter.The very purpose of a board is to scrutinise and direct policy,and calling for a mid season review in a sense is an admission of its own shortcomings.Having said that,Rugby League is an inexact science,a high collision,heavy impact sport.You can’t be applying KPIs and business principles to the horrendous run of injuries we’ve endured.
In my opinion it’s pretty damned obvious as to where we’re at.It’s so rudimentary,and applying a mid season review is bordering on the laughable.
My summation is we started the year with an injury compromised squad and through the course of the year we’re further compromised by it.In a nutshell that’s basically it(while we wait for the ACLs to mend).
I’m highly optimistic that when the injury pendulum swings we’ll see a major turnaround,and to me the sacking of Madge would be absolute madness as to the potential effect it might have on our squad.We have a halfback!!And don’t compromise that,at our peril.
I’m seeing a great rebuild right here,right now......do we really want to go back to the drawing boards?
Great post
I can just hear it now: “so Tigers finished 14th in 2023 but to be fair our coach needs to build his own roster. We hope to make the eight by 2026
In all likelihood 14th in 2023 will be an improvement on 2022.
I am really in the middle with regards to what we should do, I would give him till the end of year to see if we can keep progressing forward, but if Sheens says it is time to go then I am not going to complain as Madge hasn't done a lot to instill confidence that he is going to turn this around. He has got us putting in but that needs to continue to improve, the game on Saturday concerns me as it was the effort areas that were poor and I hope that isn't the start of a downturn in that area.
I can definitely understand the people that have had enough and would like change now, Madge has been given a lot of time.
In memory of Geoff Chisholm (1965-2022)
Lots of talk about Ciraldo. Can I ask: apart from being the media’s current darling, what has he actually accomplished as a coach?
It concerns me sometimes that we start to believe something to be true just because it’s repeated relentlessly by the media.
He was NYC coach of the year in 2015 and 2016 winning 2 minor premierships and one premiership, has won more NRL finals matches than Maguire in the last 5 years. He has a pretty good lower grade coaching record but had some very good players in those teams. Was heavily involved in the Penrith pathways system and the Panthers Academy, that has produced some outstanding players. As a fulltime coach, who knows but he does have some good credentials.
Good summary, for mine the difference between Ciraldo and Barrett etc is that he has been more than an assistant, he has been involved in establishing those pathways and as a result has the trust and love of those kids coming through. Plus it cant hurt that he has been standing by learning the top (top two) systems for the last few years. We wouldnt just be buying Ciraldo, you are buying Pamfers IP.
