I really don’t understand what is wrong with this club but we have serious issues when it comes to management, role differentiation, vision, and culture.
Justin needs to step aside, as I have mentioned in another thread, he has made too many basic mistakes. He is not a leader, doesn’t understand the football business and is a poor negotiator. He has had plenty of time to build this club to be the giant it should be, but where are we now ? By now he should have put in place structures, processes, standards, vision, culture etc etc but we look like we have no direction in the football club, we don’t even know if Sheens is still head of football. This is chaotic management.
As for Lee, he should know better. He runs a successful business, I’m sure he has implemented good business strategies and performance standards at Brydans.
We need strong leadership.
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@garry for change to come I strongly believe it will need to be instigated by Wests Ashfield (NRL club management and NRL club board are conflicted and the NRL administration has no grounds to force WA to do anything as they are the owner and are meeting the requirements of their license). Perhaps the Ambush should stage an event at WA leagues club itself where members/fans can turn up and show support for change to the one entity (WA) that can effect change. Maybe the petition can be presented to WA management. Media should be notified etc. effectively Wests Tigers members and fans should hold their own AGM at Wests Ashfield Leagues club, maybe then we can express our voice given we have been silenced to date.
Wests Ashfield are the ones we need to take action, my concern is with the entanglement and cross pollination of the Wests Ashfield and the Wests Tigers boards that self interest will prevent them from acting.
We should hit up Rick Wayde next time he attends an event.
Can't believe Lee and JP took the recommendation to appoint Sheens as Caoch from Buzz
Then Buzz 1 year later:
“I blame Tim Sheens in that he came back after a ten year NRL break and losing three jobs in England to take on this side and they’ve gone backwards ever since,” Rothfield said.
“With Tim Sheens, he sacked Michael Maguire who I thought was doing a better job than Tim is doing now It was Tim’s decision to sack him.
“My problem with Tim Sheens at the moment is that he cannot accept that the only way out of this mess, is a massive, massive recruitment overhaul.
Rothfield believes that Sheens “is still angry about” former Tigers recruitment manager Warren McDonald being moved on and the appointment of Scott Fulton to replace him.
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You make strong points and I hope both are punted as soon as possible. Pascoe, in particular, has no excuses for his role in the demise of the WT NRL squad and the reputational damage done to the club as a result.I really don’t understand what is wrong with this club but we have serious issues when it comes to management, role differentiation, vision, and culture.
Justin needs to step aside, as I have mentioned in another thread, he has made too many basic mistakes. He is not a leader, doesn’t understand the football business and is a poor negotiator. He has had plenty of time to build this club to be the giant it should be, but where are we now ? By now he should have put in place structures, processes, standards, vision, culture etc etc but we look like we have no direction in the football club, we don’t even know if Sheens is still head of football. This is chaotic management.
As for Lee, he should know better. He runs a successful business, I’m sure he has implemented good business strategies and performance standards at Brydans.
We need strong leadership.
As for Chairman Mouth running a "successful" business, well that's debatable. IMO, Brydens is the legal firm equivalent of WT in NRL 2023 - i.e. bottom dwellers, the place of last resort to go to, pretenders when compared to the "big boys". Sure, Mouth has made a lot of money but so does K-Mart through similar saturation of the low end of the market. Don't mistake that, though, as evidence of him leading with high performance standards. He's just a rich WT fan-boy who has got himself to a position of influence where skills way beyond what he offers are needed. We all suffer as a result. Not that that would concern him for a millisecond.
You make strong points and I hope both are punted as soon as possible. Pascoe, in particular, has no excuses for his role in the demise of the WT NRL squad and the reputational damage done to the club as a result.I really don’t understand what is wrong with this club but we have serious issues when it comes to management, role differentiation, vision, and culture.
Justin needs to step aside, as I have mentioned in another thread, he has made too many basic mistakes. He is not a leader, doesn’t understand the football business and is a poor negotiator. He has had plenty of time to build this club to be the giant it should be, but where are we now ? By now he should have put in place structures, processes, standards, vision, culture etc etc but we look like we have no direction in the football club, we don’t even know if Sheens is still head of football. This is chaotic management.
As for Lee, he should know better. He runs a successful business, I’m sure he has implemented good business strategies and performance standards at Brydans.
We need strong leadership.
As for Chairman Mouth running a "successful" business, well that's debatable. IMO, Brydens is the legal firm equivalent of WT in NRL 2023 - i.e. bottom dwellers, the place of last resort to go to, pretenders when compared to the "big boys". Sure, Mouth has made a lot of money but so does K-Mart through similar saturation of the low end of the market. Don't mistake that, though, as evidence of him leading with high performance standards. He's just a rich WT fan-boy who has got himself to a position of influence where skills way beyond what he offers are needed. We all suffer as a result. Not that that would concern him for a millisecond.
That’s true about Brydens and the Kmart analogy.
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As others have done, can i encourage everyone to share the petition as widely as possible. We need thousands of signatures to have an impact at all. We are very keen and prepared to present this petition to WA and involve the mainstream media. But to do this we need numbers.
Emailed Mr Pascoe
Hi Justin
We need to make some strategic changes , especially up front before this all goes somewhere it won’t come back from.
Pathways - Tim Sheens
I firmly believe at this point in his career, this is the best position for him. He’s not a head coach anymore, the game, times, training styles, technology, sports science is all past him. Even scouting, travelling through Qld, bush footy, i believe he would be firmly well received and respected.
Assistant Coach- Justin Holbrook
An intuitive mind I the brains trust for both benji and Robbie, comes with great record, contacts, and from all reports, a great man manager. Tactically he was very good.
Director of football- Shane Richardson
Shane’s record speaks for itself, amongst his great strengths even from a marketing point of difference, is his brand management, personal and interpersonal skill sets. Great records at three strong clubs- Penrith, Cronulla, and South’s. The front office and football dept seem way off, no alignment. This is critical. Everything filters down.
Alignments with Q Cup Teams
Strategically across pathways, women’s league, brand awareness, and strong catchment of talent - I believe their are two sides for potentially creating affiliations
Brisbane Tigers, and the Burleigh Bears. It makes a lot of commercial sense, and football sense. Strong clubs, financially secure clubs, with great following, strong ties, and large junior bases.
Only as rumours go, the GC titans are going to end affiliations with Burleigh, and soley focus on Tweed Seagulls. The broncos are strongly looking at Burleigh also.
The competition is strong, I go to a lot of the games up here including the junior scenes, these are the best two clubs - been a great success story for the broncos, Melbourne Storm.
There are positives for the players as well, and strategically thinking outside of the box. You could build on reciprocal memberships, eg member at easts tigers - member of wests tigers (interstate memberships), and for travelling members more venues to watch games, use facilities, leagues clubs, advertising, marketing, and a change of culture from the closed mindsets of Sydney.
Culture - the players and the front office
This has to change, strongly and swiftly. It’s clearly toxic, negative and downright ugly.
Broncos, storm, sharks, Penrith, south’s, and within 12 months the dolphins, look at their environments, no press leaks, no moving players on mid season, no unwanted media. That’s not just because they are winning sides, and winning changes everything, they have their structured procedures, policies, codes and culture that people want to be in. We are involved in too much negative press, endless stories, and it’s too hard to stop the noise.
We ruin careers, treat players poorly, can’t honour contracts, with a toxic culture. That’s how we are perceived, whether we like it or we don’t. Everyone is responsible for culture, how it’s created, how it’s maintained, and how it continues inline with values, ethics, attitude within, and without.
Club Captains - Blake Austin, Boteille.
Blake Austin’s story on how he got to first grade, his life story - experiences in Australia and in the UK would be invaluable. All players can relate to him in many facets, plus he would still be an elite example on making it, guiding young players , those stuck in reserve grade, and a handy potential utility in the halves with experience.
Boteille - speaks for herself and the club. It’s a no brainer.
The above is straight off the cuff, however I believe the bones of it, I think can be lead discussion points, and for focus groups and discuss and be involved in , for the fans and members - select a few, get them involved for their perspectives, thoughts, being listened to, without them, turn the lights off, lock the gates.
Player types-
We seem to go after poor players and substandard athletes - few are exceptions.
With all these trips to the US studying - what did we learn - how to successful franchises scout talent, such as the nba, nfl… and then include them to their systems and structures like a Green Bay packers, colleges (affiliations), locally even to a Melbourne storm, Richmond tigers, Collingwood. Make juniors , new players, young players, want to be wests tigers, a previllage, be proud, strive, make it a dream. Look how players feel when they get drafted in different sports. It’s the “making it”.
Is our nursery far too narrow with too many competitors ? Hence a qcup affiliation, aligning with schools strategically. It’s a culture, a full time process, not just football season.
Jobs after football - west can we offer here, what do we do, how can we use this to our advantage ? Courses, education.
Sports science - specialists
Apologies if I don’t have the correct intel on what we currently do, or don’t do.
Wrestlers, sprint coaches, video reviews, video targets, zoom meetings with juniors based interstate - seeing them, setting them goals, targets in physical conditioning , diets.
Specialists weights and fitness coaches - athletes run athletes- not bro sciences or fads.
I will send this onto Holman Barnes as well.
Again off the cut and some polishing required, but we have to start the process now, not at the end of the year. This has to the last season wasted. No more
@tigerbennyb The problem is, the person you've sent it to is the biggest problem in the club, closely followed by Lee. There will be no improvement in the club until they're both gone.
You make strong points and I hope both are punted as soon as possible. Pascoe, in particular, has no excuses for his role in the demise of the WT NRL squad and the reputational damage done to the club as a result.As for Chairman Mouth running a "successful" business, well that's debatable. IMO, Brydens is the legal firm equivalent of WT in NRL 2023 - i.e. bottom dwellers, the place of last resort to go to, pretenders when compared to the "big boys". Sure, Mouth has made a lot of money but so does K-Mart through similar saturation of the low end of the market. Don't mistake that, though, as evidence of him leading with high performance standards. He's just a rich WT fan-boy who has got himself to a position of influence where skills way beyond what he offers are needed. We all suffer as a result. Not that that would concern him for a millisecond.
This is the pith and the nub of our issues! I have cut both plenty of slack over the years, preferring to focus on the good they have done for the club (eg COE, sponsorship) but enough is enough.
The honest truth is JP was sacked by a club that is now one of the strongest in the game. There simply must be better personnel out there to fill his role. All the successful clubs have excellent administrators in charge and by comparison we fade badly, bumbling from one botched up management saga to the next.
As far as the Chairman is concerned, by virtue of the woes of the club he is also failing at his role. He may be good at some aspects of his position but from results so far, he is not good at governance and obviously lacks the experience and business acumen that create successful chairpersons. And being outspoken in a regular media gig is simply unprofessional.
Keep the faith says Lee H 🙄
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