Yes, interesting quote from Lee…almost tempting WA to swipe it clean and start again.
But who is the person 'in charge' of WA?
Who is the person in power that we must be talking to and convince?
WA seem like a group without a clear leader or accountability
The real chairman:
https://holmanbarnesgroup.com.au/about-us/our-directors/
TONY ANDREACCHIO
CHAIRMAN
With almost three decades’ experience in local business (the past 20 as Principal of Raine & Horne Real Estate Ashfield), over 30 years’ membership of Wests Ashfield and a lifelong passion for rugby league, Tony Andreacchio is a true local.
For more than a decade, Tony has been an executive of the Ashfield Chamber of Commerce; Area Chairman of the Ashfield Salvation Army Red Shield Appeal and in recent times, was appointed to the Vincentian Fathers Advisory Board Oceania.
Having got the kids to bed I have now watched Lee’s interview. I haven’t watched 360 for a long time so not sure if that’s their normal tempo.
To me Lee came across very defensive from the start. He didn’t appear to have an outcome he wanted to achieve from the interview.
He admitted the recent events were caused by Fulton slandering Benji to his godfather however stated their relationship was fine. I can’t see how it can be fine if that is happening and the leaders of the club are saying it’s okay.
The fact he was saying everything fell on the board I think showed a lack of class and responsibility. He would have been better saying something along the lines of we all have a responsibility within the club and need to ensure we are doing what’s best for the club. It really felt like self preservation.
His answer to the questions around Brooks sounded like he either had no idea what had happen in the situation or that he knew they had made a mistake there but didn’t want to admit it.
The most concerning part was when he was asked about turning the club around and he stumbled over his answer and threw out a few one liners. It didn’t sound like there was a plan and this was the part he appeared least confident.
That interview didn’t put anything to rest and actually raised more questions in my opinion. The way things are looking this is going to drag on for weeks and look messier and messier. Which will impact our ability to sign any players for next year and beyond. In 3 and a half months we can start making offers for 2025 - we need to look stable before that point.
Having got the kids to bed I have now watched Lee’s interview. I haven’t watched 360 for a long time so not sure if that’s their normal tempo.
To me Lee came across very defensive from the start. He didn’t appear to have an outcome he wanted to achieve from the interview.
He admitted the recent events were caused by Fulton slandering Benji to his godfather however stated their relationship was fine. I can’t see how it can be fine if that is happening and the leaders of the club are saying it’s okay.
The fact he was saying everything fell on the board I think showed a lack of class and responsibility. He would have been better saying something along the lines of we all have a responsibility within the club and need to ensure we are doing what’s best for the club. It really felt like self preservation.
His answer to the questions around Brooks sounded like he either had no idea what had happen in the situation or that he knew they had made a mistake there but didn’t want to admit it.
The most concerning part was when he was asked about turning the club around and he stumbled over his answer and threw out a few one liners. It didn’t sound like there was a plan and this was the part he appeared least confident.
That interview didn’t put anything to rest and actually raised more questions in my opinion. The way things are looking this is going to drag on for weeks and look messier and messier. Which will impact our ability to sign any players for next year and beyond. In 3 and a half months we can start making offers for 2025 - we need to look stable before that point.
At this stage it is fair to assume that the mismanagement of the club is setting us up for at least one more year of really poor results.
What will it take for someone to stand up and say “enough is enough”?
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@helmesy at this point they are all to busy pointing fingers at each other.
honestly the only thing that might wake them up is if people just walk away.
@helmesy to me … Pascoe is gone from what I saw there .
Unfortunately our major sponsor is our chairman …. So I can’t see the fiscally responsible wests leagues club punting our chairman.
It’s a real hard one about the managers . They clearly see chum in the water with Fulton arriving , and see a way in ala Isaac Moses .
With so many of our kids split between those 3 in particular . It could really undo us .
We just saw it in Moses . How often does he steer his clients our way . Not very, they’re all usually playing for the same clubs .
@lestronge to be fair to the managers, has there been a player of their that has come to the tigers and benefited?
It's not up to you to determine what is newsworthy and what isn't. If people want to voice their grievances or opinions, that really isn't your concern.
I make it my concern by participating actively in this forum. Just as equally, my feedback doesn't have to be your concern, but you have made it so. All comments made on this forum are fair game for feedback.
We are all adults here, I think the exchanges are fair and not excessive, especially in light of the dire club situation.
@helmesy you boys really have thrown gasoline on the fire , at the very least it’s caused some extra blankets and Fire extinguishing going on .
But more importantly including Brent reed (really cleaver by Steve . Not just media but one with a voice , that airs a couple times a week on fox’s flagship show” ) it’s put the spotlight exactly where it should be and turned the blowtorch right on Justin and Lee .
there’s no deflecting anymore . Brent is basically singing from the same song sheet as the petition and now the power brokers at the tigers , the owners and board are being forced to at least contemplate change . Would losing , or a petition with not voice , achieve anything . I doubt it . But this has a voice , with a platform , so I actually think an outcome , based on Lees wording tonight , might actually be on the horizon .
@jirskyr yea all that would wash if it was 2015 … 2017 …. 2018 ….. 2020….. 2022!
the problem is this has been going on for a long time , and most are sick of blaming the coach . Or even the GM / head of performance .
We gave both those 2 more than enough rope and they have hung themselves 10 times over .
Just because you choose to be apathetic , which is what it is , it’s not stoicism . Which is what you may think about yourself .
Everyone can now see the common denominator ie. Pascoe and the board/ Lee.
And they want change. To be honest it’s galvanised the whole fan base outside of yourself .
And I would hazard to guess it has provided many people , who were talking about basically giving up on the whole club with hope for change .So before you gloat and patronise others with your condescending , holier than thou diatribe , that maybe you should think to yourself that the winds of change are finally blowing . And hopefully we as a fan base can get some result any result .
because the “it’s all cycles” is just bullshit . And factually not true .It’s only true for something like 4 clubs . And the tigers aren’t one of them .
And you accused me of being a sensationalist the other day . And all I could do was scoff . Because it wasn’t that long ago , I was being hammered by guys like avo and Gallagher . For daring to imply Pascoe was competent at his job.
So no , I’m not a sensationalist . I back myself and my opinions . But they are always open to being swayed by the latest price of information, and I’m not married to them . And neither should you
Ha fire up! Apathetic, gloating, patronising and condescending. Well what can I say, I just "back myself and my opinions".
I actually thought I wrote a pretty tight piece, reasonably measured, not too harsh. I wasn't really singling any one person out, if you perhaps took it to be a personal strike on yourself.
In fact I think I've been vindicated after today when the whole "Fulton vs Benji cage match" noise turned out to be a non-event, as predicted. Got a bit overwrought however I think, both forums... maybe not quite a meltdown or hysteria-level, but a lot of activity off the back of some slander from Peter Peters.
Honestly I'm just trying to counsel dialling the temperature down a few notches. We have to consider, again in light of the petition, that if we were to go around pointing fingers and howling at Pascoe and Lee, I don't think that goes anyway towards achieving what people want. They aren't going to respond to aggressive fans.
You seem to have pegged me wrong anyway. I'm totally open to changing up the Board and Lee and Pascoe. Let's do it. I've not met anyone on the Board in person but I stood in line next to Rick Wayde once at the bar... he did give off some impression of being a dinosaur.
But we also have to be realistic - as I said, the petition is approaching the stakeholders at Wests Tigers to consider an external review, and nobody is stupid enough to think that the fans don't want the review to end in a change to the status quo. The stakeholders are not that stupid. It's going to be somewhat of a stretch for them to volunteer the potential collapse of the way they like running things.
And it hasn't galvanised the whole fanbase; I guarantee most Tigers fans are barely aware of the petition. Again let's be realistic about what is going on here.
@jirskyr have you seen the meme “accccchtuuuuallly” ? That’s the vibe I get from you .
Read the room dude . No one is ants to be talked down anymore . The time for turning the cheek and giving people time and pointing out their achievements has passed . I was on your side … and then I work up and 8 years had passed for no change .
So yes . Sorry mate . No one wants to hear it . We want change ala Justin or the boards head .
It’s not the town after Frankensteins monster . As you might think . But rather the French being told “let them eat cake” . That’s a more applicable frenzy . Because of how out of touch this board is .
The petition isn’t galvanising all the fans . But galvanising the ones who’ve signed up.
The fans are galvanised in their desire to oust this EXCO .
Like I said to Helmsley . What makes this special is Brent reed being a spokesperson for it , on nrl360 , giving it a platform .
At the very least it forces These people , so used to the shadows , to come into the light .
But you’re right it guarantees nothing .
But people are usually very predictable . Especially those in power. They will usually do anything to retain that power .
And if there is a conflict , then the person with the most power wins . What we have to do , is try and create the perception of a conflict , either of interest or otherwise . That’s what a petition with a platform can do .
Anyone watch NRL360? What did the berk say? I couldn’t bring myself to watch it.
He was destroyed by Brent Read.
Well except for the bit about Luke Brooks. Brent was trying to make a case that Tigers rushed or stonewalled Luke Brooks, as if Brooks has not been enjoying himself at the Wests Tigers trough for a decade. Luke Brooks caused the exit of Luke Brooks, I won't point fingers at the Tigers for that one, he got more support and chances than most players are afforded.
Anyone watch NRL360? What did the berk say? I couldn’t bring myself to watch it.
He was destroyed by Brent Read.
Well except for the bit about Luke Brooks. Brent was trying to make a case that Tigers rushed or stonewalled Luke Brooks, as if Brooks has not been enjoying himself at the Wests Tigers trough for a decade. Luke Brooks caused the exit of Luke Brooks, I won't point fingers at the Tigers for that one, he got more support and chances than most players are afforded.
Except the part where he denied that Brooks was given a 3 day deadline and then went on to try and justify it.
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Good news is that Lee will be back on SEN in a few hours to go over all this stuff again.
I thought it was bad manners to wear a hat indoors? Or classless. Or clueless. In Chairman Mouth we have the trifecta.
I think where the current admin really struggles is in two areas - controlling a narrative and negotiating with people.
The club admin seems to desperately need a media manager with clout that can discipline those in Concord to sing from the same hymn sheet. This person also needs to build real relationships with media and fan based media/platforms to ensure Wests Tigers gets some level of protection (for example, the club has never made contact with me despite being the main person behind the WTP and have a background in the media ie someone who knows how the game is played).
I think there must also be some truth in the allegation that we just plain suck in selling ourselves and the message to players too.
The worst part is that because we have manoeuvred ourselves into this mess we now have no leverage in discussions with anyone.
And yet, as things stand, the people who set these standards and driven us down this one way street are all in the same positions.
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