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by Will Swanton, The Australian.

Wests Tigers diehards call Leichhardt Oval the eighth wonder of the world. With all due respect to the Taj Mahal and Niagara Falls, of course. Hurling abuse at officials and Jackson Hastings on a Sunday arvo, where would they rather be? The crying shame is that one of the NRL’s most awe-inspiring and traditional venues has become home to one of the worst sporting teams in Australia.

Are the Tigers the worst? Let’s not bestow the honour too hastily. They still need time to prove themselves as fully incompetent. True legendom needs longevity but for now, they’re presenting a compelling case for unrivalled hopelessness. Melbourne Victory are stone motherless in the A-League but they’ve won five matches – six if they can defeat the reigning champions on Monday. Sunshine Coast Lightning were last in the most recent Super Netball premiership but even they jagged four victories. Let’s not go through every competition in this big sprawling sporting land but when it comes to losing, the Tigers do look terribly hard to beat.

They’ve discovered the sort of rare form and panic-stricken mindset that may just lead to a historic 0-24 season. Don’t put it past them. Impossible is nothing when you’ve developed a seemingly freakishly ability to fail. I didn’t watch them against the Newcastle Knights on Sunday afternoon because Tim Tszyu was making a name for himself but come Monday morning, sporting radio shows in Sydney were filled with colourful feedback about the Tigers being disgraceful, diabolical, embarrassing, extraordinary in their ordinariness. Sounded too good to miss.

Listening to caller after caller giving their feedback – inept, amateurish, bungling, blundering, not up to standard – they came across as the NRL’s version of Eric The Eel, thrashing around a couple of laps behind everyone else, supporters cringing a bit while everyone else celebrates wildly and laughs their heads off. I took a deep breath and called up the Kayo replay.

The Wayne Pearce Hill at the Eighth Wonder was packed. So many fans, so much disappointment coming their way. Perhaps they’d burn the joint to the ground, or torch their membership cards. Supporters like these get addicted to the pain. The Tigers had fumbled and bumbled and stuttered and stammered to an opening-round loss to the Gold Coast Titans but this would be worse. The Knights had enough injuries, sin-bins, substitutions and player depletion to lose to a decent team by 30 points. They won by two.

That’s when you know losing is entrenched. When you fall short in the manner of Bill Shorten versus Scott Morrison in 2019. When you can get beaten from anywhere, anytime, at any place and under any circumstances. The Knights played 25 of the 80 minutes with 12 men. Their best player, Kalyn Ponga, lasted all of one minute before failing a Head Injury Assessment. Jayden Brailey was knocked out soon after. Tyson Frizell and Jack Johns had ankle injuries. Dom Young was sin-binned. Jacob Saifiti was sent off. The Tigers had more of the ball, 52 per cent, which they expertly used to commit every error known to mankind, and a few never previously witnessed. A delicious debacle. The most entertaining performance of the weekend.

Fox Sports’ Cooper Cronk is a terrific analyst. He doesn’t bag blokes for the sake of it. “Zero polish,” was an early assessment. Then an Adam Doueihi pass went straight to the Knights’ Tyson Gamble. “Doueihi, Doueihi, Doueihi, what are you doing?” Cronk said. “All he had to do was play the ball. It would have been a quick play the ball and the Tigers would have been on to something.” When a Dane Laurie kick took one bounce into the fence, Cronk said, “He’s kicked a 40/20 from 20m out.” His co-commentator Andrew Voss said, “Harsh, but fair.”

Voss routinely does a masterful job. He has a tremendous feel for the emotions of fans. When Tigers’ errors mounted atop brain fades atop wrong options atop mistimed passes atop indecision atop missed tackles atop panic attacks, Voss did a very decent job of capturing the mood of Tigers supporters among the 15,000 folks crammed into the Eighth Wonder.

“It’s a bit of a horror show, to be honest,” he said. “Fans not happy with what they’re seeing … the Tigers are a birthday cake with no candles. They’re incomplete when it comes to attack. I’m not sure I’ve seen a more nervous attacking side than the one I’ve seen today … the crowd’s not completely silenced but I think the noise they’re making is more disgruntled mumbling than words of encouragement. Back-to-back weeks at Leichhardt Oval and there’s some frustration out there. A shambolic afternoon … Oh, Doueihi, that will do me. The Tigers have probably ticked every mistake box that can be made today. Tigers fans, hearts broken again. How many hearts have they got to break?”

Worst sporting team in Australia? They’re looking good. There’s no shortage of effort, adding to the drama and the all-round sense of fantastic hopelessness. In the centres, The Two Ronnies. Forming the spine, Larry, Curly and Moe. They’ll need a bit of luck to get the two points against the bye. It is indeed a crying shame for the Tigers diehards gathering at the rich man’s Taj Mahal but to neutral observers, they’re the best show in town. Absolute mediocrity is as captivating as greatness. No swimmer at the Sydney Olympics received a more rousing ovation than E. Eel. The Tigers play the Bulldogs on Sunday. You wouldn’t miss it for the world.


   
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Thats a lovely moniker to have earned...and hard earned it has been.

I wouldnt call them the worst team though, we have the worst club.


   
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I think St Kikda has won 1 premiership in 150 years. They’ve also made the finals once since 2011. There may be one or two other AFL teams that have struggled. I think a few of their clubs have had longer finals droughts in recent times than the Tigers but have bounced back e.g. Richmond.


   
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Richmond Tigers is exactly the template of what we can dream of. Now all we need is a generational talent in the spine to deliver us multiple premierships 


   
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Posted by: @russtutty63

I think St Kikda has won 1 premiership in 150 years. They’ve also made the finals once since 2011. There may be one or two other AFL teams that have struggled. I think a few of their clubs have had longer finals droughts in recent times than the Tigers but have bounced back e.g. Richmond.

I go for WT and StK and yes they are a perfect match 😄

Interestingly, they have also gone back to their legend coach who also had some success with and bought in ex star players in coaching team. 

Lets hope they both turn things around

 

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Posted by: @Anonymous

Absolute mediocrity is as captivating as greatness.

From boardroom down.

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I sahre everyones disappointment, frustration and anger, but IMO the fact is this WT team is a better team than last years and I believe we will see that.


   
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Posted by: @tiger5150

I sahre everyones disappointment, frustration and anger, but IMO the fact is this WT team is a better team than last years and I believe we will see that.

Soon I hope.

 


   
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Posted by: @mike

Posted by: @tiger5150

I sahre everyones disappointment, frustration and anger, but IMO the fact is this WT team is a better team than last years and I believe we will see that.

Soon I hope.

 

 

sure, the sky may be falling, but lets be real....

 

2023 RD3                                         2022 RD3

 

Staines                          1                   Laurie

Nofa                              2                   Nofa

Naden                            3                   Garner

Toa                                4                  Gildart

Tupou                            5                   Toa

 

Doueihi                           6                  Madden

Brooks                            7                 Brooks

 

Stef                            8                     Tamou

Api                             9                     Liddle

Klemmer                     10                   Stef

Blore                          11                   Seyfarth

kepaoa                        12                  LL

Pole                            13                  Joffa

 

Wakeham                                          Peachey

Twal                                                  Twal

Joffa                                                  Musgrove

Tumeth                                              Simpkin

 

Imo this years team flogs last years team and that is without IP and Simpkin and TT etc. Benchs cancel each other otherwise.

 


   
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Posted by: @tiger5150

I sahre everyones disappointment, frustration and anger, but IMO the fact is this WT team is a better team than last years and I believe we will see that.

I don't think anyone is disputing that this team, on paper,  is "better" than the team from 2022. Of course they are. 

Which then beggars the question, how can the "abysmal"* results from Rounds 1 and 2 be explained? 

I 1000000% support the theory that the club is "abysmal" due to the Chair, CEO and Board. But, guess what, they were the same Chair, CEO and Board last year and they were equally as inept and incompetent then. That hasn't changed. 

What has changed?  To me it's obvious.

That same inept and incompetent grouping of Chair, CEO and Board, threw all their faith in somehow believing that a discredited relic of a bygone era in Tim Sheens (and his chosen band of compliant sidekicks), should be entrusted to secure the services of Wunderkind Ciraldo as head NRL coach. Sadly (but unsurprisingly) despite numerous visits to the CoE and overtures for his signature, he promptly told them "No thanks". And signed with Gould and the Bulldogs. 

So, it was time to resort to Plan B. Except there wasn't one.

So reluctantly (by his own admission) Sheens is thrust into the role of head NRL coach on the basis of ....what? Being out of NRL for at least a decade and being sacked from two ESL clubs in the interim. And then, of course, emboldened by the unfettered power provided to him by Chair, CEO and Board (and I suspect genuine self-doubt on his capacity to do the job), HE determined that Benji Marshall (i.e. Mr 50% - please don't expect me to tackle, my role is to thrill the crowds) should be the one to take this organisation into the brave new world of professional NRL from 2025. 

It is farcical. It is unbelievable. But yet again, it is true of the WT led by this Chair, CEO and Board.

In my opinion, there is no way out of this apart from believing in fairytales. I don't know how a coup of a sporting club can happen when the supposed "leaders" are the key (and unaccountable) lead characters of that same fairytale. 

It is that grim (no, not Grimm, those were fairytales that offered hope) already, in 2023. 

 

* "abysmal" is the word used by reporters from NRL.com in describing the WT efforts thus far in 2023.

 


   
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Posted by: @tiger5150

Posted by: @mike

Posted by: @tiger5150

I sahre everyones disappointment, frustration and anger, but IMO the fact is this WT team is a better team than last years and I believe we will see that.

Soon I hope.

 

 

sure, the sky may be falling, but lets be real....

 

2023 RD3                                         2022 RD3

 

Staines                          1                   Laurie

Nofa                              2                   Nofa

Naden                            3                   Garner

Toa                                4                  Gildart

Tupou                            5                   Toa

 

Doueihi                           6                  Madden

Brooks                            7                 Brooks

 

Stef                            8                     Tamou

Api                             9                     Liddle

Klemmer                     10                   Stef

Blore                          11                   Seyfarth

kepaoa                        12                  LL

Pole                            13                  Joffa

 

Wakeham                                          Peachey

Twal                                                  Twal

Joffa                                                  Musgrove

Tumeth                                              Simpkin

 

Imo this years team flogs last years team and that is without IP and Simpkin and TT etc. Benchs cancel each other otherwise.

 

When was the last time the Wests Tigers won a game with Brooks at 7?

 


   
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Posted by: @mike

Posted by: @tiger5150

Posted by: @mike

Posted by: @tiger5150

I sahre everyones disappointment, frustration and anger, but IMO the fact is this WT team is a better team than last years and I believe we will see that.

Soon I hope.

 

 

sure, the sky may be falling, but lets be real....

 

2023 RD3                                         2022 RD3

 

Staines                          1                   Laurie

Nofa                              2                   Nofa

Naden                            3                   Garner

Toa                                4                  Gildart

Tupou                            5                   Toa

 

Doueihi                           6                  Madden

Brooks                            7                 Brooks

 

Stef                            8                     Tamou

Api                             9                     Liddle

Klemmer                     10                   Stef

Blore                          11                   Seyfarth

kepaoa                        12                  LL

Pole                            13                  Joffa

 

Wakeham                                          Peachey

Twal                                                  Twal

Joffa                                                  Musgrove

Tumeth                                              Simpkin

 

Imo this years team flogs last years team and that is without IP and Simpkin and TT etc. Benchs cancel each other otherwise.

 

When was the last time the Wests Tigers won a game with Brooks at 7?

 

 

Is it a better team or not?

 


   
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Posted by: @tiger5150

Posted by: @mike

Posted by: @tiger5150

Posted by: @mike

Posted by: @tiger5150

I sahre everyones disappointment, frustration and anger, but IMO the fact is this WT team is a better team than last years and I believe we will see that.

Soon I hope.

 

 

sure, the sky may be falling, but lets be real....

 

2023 RD3                                         2022 RD3

 

Staines                          1                   Laurie

Nofa                              2                   Nofa

Naden                            3                   Garner

Toa                                4                  Gildart

Tupou                            5                   Toa

 

Doueihi                           6                  Madden

Brooks                            7                 Brooks

 

Stef                            8                     Tamou

Api                             9                     Liddle

Klemmer                     10                   Stef

Blore                          11                   Seyfarth

kepaoa                        12                  LL

Pole                            13                  Joffa

 

Wakeham                                          Peachey

Twal                                                  Twal

Joffa                                                  Musgrove

Tumeth                                              Simpkin

 

Imo this years team flogs last years team and that is without IP and Simpkin and TT etc. Benchs cancel each other otherwise.

 

When was the last time the Wests Tigers won a game with Brooks at 7?

 

 

Is it a better team or not?

 

Player for player it’s a better team.

Which really means in essence we are performing worse this year as we don’t have the excuse of a poor roster.

We’re going backwards fast.

 


   
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Posted by: @tiger5150

Posted by: @mike

Posted by: @tiger5150

Posted by: @mike

Posted by: @tiger5150

I sahre everyones disappointment, frustration and anger, but IMO the fact is this WT team is a better team than last years and I believe we will see that.

Soon I hope.

 

 

sure, the sky may be falling, but lets be real....

 

2023 RD3                                         2022 RD3

 

Staines                          1                   Laurie

Nofa                              2                   Nofa

Naden                            3                   Garner

Toa                                4                  Gildart

Tupou                            5                   Toa

 

Doueihi                           6                  Madden

Brooks                            7                 Brooks

 

Stef                            8                     Tamou

Api                             9                     Liddle

Klemmer                     10                   Stef

Blore                          11                   Seyfarth

kepaoa                        12                  LL

Pole                            13                  Joffa

 

Wakeham                                          Peachey

Twal                                                  Twal

Joffa                                                  Musgrove

Tumeth                                              Simpkin

 

Imo this years team flogs last years team and that is without IP and Simpkin and TT etc. Benchs cancel each other otherwise.

 

When was the last time the Wests Tigers won a game with Brooks at 7?

 

 

Is it a better team or not?

 

It should be, but not yet. The clue is in the word team. Not playing as a team yet, still to gel. 

 


   
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Posted by: @mercy-rule

Posted by: @tiger5150

I sahre everyones disappointment, frustration and anger, but IMO the fact is this WT team is a better team than last years and I believe we will see that.

I don't think anyone is disputing that this team, on paper,  is "better" than the team from 2022. Of course they are. 

Which then beggars the question, how can the "abysmal"* results from Rounds 1 and 2 be explained? 

I 1000000% support the theory that the club is "abysmal" due to the Chair, CEO and Board. But, guess what, they were the same Chair, CEO and Board last year and they were equally as inept and incompetent then. That hasn't changed. 

What has changed?  To me it's obvious.

That same inept and incompetent grouping of Chair, CEO and Board, threw all their faith in somehow believing that a discredited relic of a bygone era in Tim Sheens (and his chosen band of compliant sidekicks), should be entrusted to secure the services of Wunderkind Ciraldo as head NRL coach. Sadly (but unsurprisingly) despite numerous visits to the CoE and overtures for his signature, he promptly told them "No thanks". And signed with Gould and the Bulldogs. 

So, it was time to resort to Plan B. Except there wasn't one.

So reluctantly (by his own admission) Sheens is thrust into the role of head NRL coach on the basis of ....what? Being out of NRL for at least a decade and being sacked from two ESL clubs in the interim. And then, of course, emboldened by the unfettered power provided to him by Chair, CEO and Board (and I suspect genuine self-doubt on his capacity to do the job), HE determined that Benji Marshall (i.e. Mr 50% - please don't expect me to tackle, my role is to thrill the crowds) should be the one to take this organisation into the brave new world of professional NRL from 2025. 

It is farcical. It is unbelievable. But yet again, it is true of the WT led by this Chair, CEO and Board.

In my opinion, there is no way out of this apart from believing in fairytales. I don't know how a coup of a sporting club can happen when the supposed "leaders" are the key (and unaccountable) lead characters of that same fairytale. 

It is that grim (no, not Grimm, those were fairytales that offered hope) already, in 2023. 

 

* "abysmal" is the word used by reporters from NRL.com in describing the WT efforts thus far in 2023.

 

 

Is it not an as equally rational explanation that with such a massive turnover in our squad, it will take time to gel and form these combinations?

 


   
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