Yes. I dislike Pascoe but this was not the right forum. Particularly as Cavanagh was presumably there is his capacity as Chair of the Maggies
Agree 100%. Pathetic way for a Chairman of Wests Magpies to behave. He should step down from his position now before he carries on some more to newspapers or the like because if it becomes more about making him look good rather than the club he’d go public again quick smart, these types always do. Maybe give Jimmy Smith the role, he’s played for Wests and has an MBA, seems nothing else is needed to succeed at this club.Obviously there is still plenty of the old grudges and infighting beneath the surface. I couldn’t care less to be honest what these dinosaurs think. That the chairman of Wests Magpies wants to have a go at Pascoe at the opening of the COE is petty and pathetic. Is it surprising? No, petty politics is what suburban rugby league has been about for 100 years. Pascoe and Lee make a lot of mistakes but they have lucked into the current situation where sheens and Benji seem to be leading the NRL club out of the mess of the last decade. Wests Ashfield as the owner of the club should weed out those who are not part of the future professional organisation.
I thought Justin was just being honest in the Ask The Boss segment with Brooksy, suggesting he didn’t know who received the most criticism him or Brooksy. They’ve both copped it the past few years so I could understand the reference. I didn’t say it was unwarranted, just said it was there. I’d think if you were sensitive to it you wouldn’t reference it publicly.Without the full context, it is hard to assess this fully.
We do know, based on past conduct, that Lee and Justin are both incredibly sensitive to criticism. So sensitive that Justin even referred to the criticism inhis Ask the Boss segment with Brooksy.
Cavanagh sounds like a jerk but I would like to understand why Pascoe asked him that question. The article doesnt say it, but the question Pascoe asked sounds like it came off the back of Cavanagh having a go at him. If thats the case, I am more on the side of Pascoe and Lee on this one.
Lee’s letter sounds a little silly. It certainly wouldnt have been my approach but, then again, Lee isnt known as being the most nuanced of lawyers.
Lee’s approach to this indicates why he isn’t the right person to be Chair. Lee approaches everything as a lawyer. I am a lawyer myself but a lawyerly approach is usually not the right one.
FYI I don’t care how much money Lee puts in. He does that for commercial reasons. Gee, he sponsors half of the NRL.
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For the record, I wasn’t saying I support Cavanagh questioning Justin in that forum, but gee, his points/gripes are spot on otherwise.
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Lee’s approach to this indicates why he isn’t the right person to be Chair. Lee approaches everything as a lawyer. I am a lawyer myself but a lawyerly approach is usually not the right one.
FYI I don’t care how much money Lee puts in. He does that for commercial reasons. Gee, he sponsors half of the NRL.
Sponsors of the club were publicly embarassed and the club was publicly shamed in front of sponsors. A public defamation requires a public response unfortunately.Bear in mind, lee didnt send this letter to the media, he sent it to WSRLFC and it has been leaked by others.
Its easy and fashionable to bag Lee and Pascoe, but I dont see what they have done wrong here.
Lee’s approach to this indicates why he isn’t the right person to be Chair. Lee approaches everything as a lawyer. I am a lawyer myself but a lawyerly approach is usually not the right one.
FYI I don’t care how much money Lee puts in. He does that for commercial reasons. Gee, he sponsors half of the NRL.
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Cant disagree more. Cavanagh behaved appallingly in front of sponsors at a WT function, a VERY important function. WSRLFC are important to the WT. it needs a response from the Chairman to WSRLFC and Lees letter is appropriate. he didnt make a public statement, he sent a letter to WSRLC which presumably Cavanagh leaked. Who do you invite to future WT functions from WSRLFC? No way you can invite Cavanagh. Its appropriate that Cavanagh stands down/sacked.
Lee’s approach to this indicates why he isn’t the right person to be Chair. Lee approaches everything as a lawyer. I am a lawyer myself but a lawyerly approach is usually not the right one.
FYI I don’t care how much money Lee puts in. He does that for commercial reasons. Gee, he sponsors half of the NRL.
Sponsors of the club were publicly embarassed and the club was publicly shamed in front of sponsors. A public defamation requires a public response unfortunately.Bear in mind, lee didnt send this letter to the media, he sent it to WSRLFC and it has been leaked by others.
Its easy and fashionable to bag Lee and Pascoe, but I dont see what they have done wrong here.
it’s a bad letter. You should expect it to be leaked. It’s written like a lawyer writes. That wasn’t the right approach here. I say that as a lawyer. Lee just doesn’t have nuance and subtlety in the way he writes and speaks. It his training as a personal injury lawyer. Everything is adversarial.
@tiger5150 Cavanagh’s behaviour was bad and he should be removed as Chair.
It was a bad letter.
Both of these things can be and are true.
Look, it's a bad look on everyone's account.
But, Lee's letter is in writing and doesn't come across well.
Vitriol is his favourite word. I think the club (Lee and Justin) need to be more confident in answering legimate questions, in any forum.
Should of been handled in a much better way, that looked to build bridges rather than burn them
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I am still waiting for someone to take responsibility for the last DECADE of mediocrity.. seems a lot are on the band wagon of the incumbents good luck to you all … there is a time and a place for certain discussions though!
Does this Cavanagh bloke seem like a relic from the 2000 Wests vs Balmain wars? Yes and that alone should be reason to remove him. Is Lee the wrong person to Chair the Tigers (temperament etc), yes there are a dozen examples where that has been demonstrated. Has Pascoe made many mistakes and does he have a bit of a glass jaw with regard to criticism of the club, yes again. Despite all these weaknesses the Tigers continue to trudge on as an organisation and given the governance structures around the club I can’t see how this changes any time soon. I would love the club to be run by a dominant and aggressive owner who was business savvy and had a strong understanding of rugby league and a culture of success. It just isn’t Wests Tigers. Sheens was the only guy would was able to dominate the club and that was only because he had enough success on the field that he had the capital to ignore the petty tyrants that run these clubs. Hopefully Sheens/Benji/Robbie can bring success back to the football club so that all this garbage stays out of public view.
It’s been 2 decades of that with a few years of success. After Sheens sacking the club was a basket case, financially, board level etc etc. Want to blame that on somebody, blame the Board back then. They, at least, have a vision now and are financially sustainable. To expect success from the get go when Pascoe etc came in is ludicrous, the club was a shambles, a laughing stock, that culture (for want of a better term) had well & truly set in. Had things remained the same the club would be lucky right now to exist as it is. Yes, Pascoe and others at Board level have made errors, it’d be difficult not to given what they had to work with but it now seems to be turning the corner. Still a ways off being a successful footy team obviously but a lot of the foundations for success are now in place. If this current vision they have for the club doesn’t bear fruit within a couple of seasons with some obvious improvement in performance on the field then there must be changes made at Admin’ level.I am still waiting for someone to take responsibility for the last DECADE of mediocrity.. seems a lot are on the band wagon of the incumbents good luck to you all … there is a time and a place for certain discussions though!
@tiger5150 Cavanagh’s behaviour was bad and he should be removed as Chair.
It was a bad letter.
Both of these things can be and are true.
It was a letter from the WT to WSRLFC. He should therefore have the right to expect it stays there. The article points out where the leak came from. Leaking the letter is as bad as the rest of the behaviour. Nothing in Lee's letter is wrong or inappropriate, as you have said yourself saying Cavanaghs behaviour was bad and he should be removed. Thats what the letter says. The fact that Cavanagh has leaked this information adds to it IMO.
Again, I know its trendy to pile on WT management, but they have done the right thing here and everything else is bias talking.
