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https://innerwest.infocouncil.biz/Open/2022/05/C_10052022_AGN_3943_AT_SUP.PDF

link to the council document from the council meeting. Basically a motion to develop a master plan for the sight. One caveat is that it says the Tigers have to commit to a minimum of 6 games a year.

Interesting 🧐 six games

I think it very interesting that the Innerwest Council is laying down stipulations as to how many games we must play at Leichhardt.Granted the Council is the sole owner and we are paying tenants,but if you’re looking at it from an “intellectual  property”point of view it could be argued that the WTs,and Balmain and their rich history hold an unwritten stakeholdership in the place.

Just putting it out there but imagine hypothetically if we decided to pack up and move on.The point I’m making is that without the WTs what is Leichhardt Oval?

We might possess a little more leverage here than we think,especially when we are fielding a fully fledged women’s side into the future.Are we to be dictated to as to how many games we must play at L.O? Thoughts?

 


   
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LO are getting the upgrades and with talk of potential 8 v 4 split to campbletown they want a guarantee of 6 games I think is reasonable. 

LO done well is the jewel in the Sydney crown for the nrl, home fans enjoy it and away fans want to experience it. 

6 games LO 

1 game Tamworth if we must 

1 game Stadium Australia for easter every 2 years 

1 game Magic game home round for the cash 

so one year campbletown gets 3 games and the other year it gets 4 games 

play all the nrl W exclusively out of Leichardt Oval 

play the cup as they are wests Magpies by name exclusively out of campbletown 


   
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@helmesy That’s when the supporter base collapses.. the club has got itself into this mess so good luck with all of that .

Locking out your support base will be a disaster!


   
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I know that it’s a vexed issue,but whatever the case I believe we have to be playing predominantly out of one ground.We’ve essentially become roving nomads unable to develop our own foothold let alone fortress.

Watching the Sharks playing in front of a fanatical partisan crowd just reinforces the notion.Down to 11/12 men the packed house at Woolooware was having nothing to do with a loss,nor was the team.I know the Warriors were all over the shop but that partisan crowd has the ability to intimidate and also to influence and sway the referee.

As for the weekend,nobody tell me that Brookvale doesn’t become a factor of sorts.

I’m adamant that we need to become a predominantly one ground team with a nostalgia clause allowing a couple of games out of Leichhardt,otherwise we’re just chasing our tail.

 

It depends on what that one ground is and that is the core of the problem.

 

No way we have a Shark Park or Brooky atmosphere at Homebush or even SFS. Possibly at Bankwest but there are issues there as well.

 

To be honest the only ground that fits the bill that you are guaranteed that atmosphere (if we are winning) is Leichhardt and to a lesser degree CSS.

 

The trouble with Leichhardt is that it’s a logistical high density nightmare(as much as I love the place,and personally would love every game there),getting in and out isn’t too flash if you’re driving.That’s before you even step inside the ground and start considering refurbishments.

If you check the stats CSS has just as much pulling power as Leichhardt if we’re winning.Unfortunately there’s been precious little of that over the past decade.Still,to me it remains the logical choice.We have a footprint in the Macarthur,and would be stupid to relinquish it.

 

I think the "getting to LO" issue is overstated. When parking is open at Orange Grove, Ive never had a problem and public transport is as good as most grounds. Most grounds dont have great parking options other than Homebush.

 

I agree that CSS has as much potential as LO. Im biased and think the atmosphere is better at LO but they are similar type grounds with similar plusses and minuses. Transport better at CSS.

I agree. I’ve been going to Leichhardt oval for as long as I can remember. Always get a park up near the school or Orange Grove pub. As for getting away - it can take longer to get out of ANZ car park!!

It always seems to take longer to get out when we lose.

 


   
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LO are getting the upgrades and with talk of potential 8 v 4 split to campbletown they want a guarantee of 6 games I think is reasonable. 

LO done well is the jewel in the Sydney crown for the nrl, home fans enjoy it and away fans want to experience it. 

6 games LO 

1 game Tamworth if we must 

1 game Stadium Australia for easter every 2 years 

1 game Magic game home round for the cash 

so one year campbletown gets 3 games and the other year it gets 4 games 

play all the nrl W exclusively out of Leichardt Oval 

play the cup as they are wests Magpies by name exclusively out of campbletown 

Im a LO fan and apologist but I'd be uneasy about LO getting more games than CSS. I think the day that we snub our noses at Campbelltown so obviously will be a line in the sand and no good will come from it.

 


   
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Very concerned about the L council stipulating 6 games for multiple reasons.

Firstly, who is in charge of the club strategic decisions and direction? The board or L Council or PVL?

Lee says the outer west is the future. But the club has not yet formally outlined a strategic intent regarding stadiums. The lack of strategic direction has led to other making decisions on our behalf or dictating terms to us.

Secondly, $50m for 6 games is selling ourselves CHEAP. Penrith get a $300m stadium for 12 games a year. 

If the future aim is to get a brand new 27k stadium at CS worth $300m then it cannot be equal to a $50m upgrade of LO. Everything needs a value. 

Thirdly, better late than never, the board (the club) needs to come out and clearly outline its intent for the future of the club and stadium strategy now.

If it's 8 / 4 split in favour of CS like most on the forum seem to support, that needs to be made clear now. There's no need to sell yourself so cheap

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Posted by: @frullens

Very concerned about the L council stipulating 6 games for multiple reasons.

Firstly, who is in charge of the club strategic decisions and direction? The board or L Council or PVL?

Lee says the outer west is the future. But the club has not yet formally outlined a strategic intent regarding stadiums. The lack of strategic direction has led to other making decisions on our behalf or dictating terms to us.

Secondly, $50m for 6 games is selling ourselves CHEAP. Penrith get a $300m stadium for 12 games a year. 

If the future aim is to get a brand new 27k stadium at CS worth $300m then it cannot be equal to a $50m upgrade of LO. Everything needs a value. 

Thirdly, better late than never, the board (the club) needs to come out and clearly outline its intent for the future of the club and stadium strategy now.

If it's 8 / 4 split in favour of CS like most on the forum seem to support, that needs to be made clear now. There's no need to sell yourself so cheap

A redeveloped LO (rebuilt Lachem etc) i think would support a 6 /6 split.

it would be equivalent to what St George do and I think gives both areas  sufficient exposure. We aren’t getting a $300m stadium at Campbelltown. The Bulls look like they are going to fold or move.


   
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Posted by: @tigertownsfs
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Very concerned about the L council stipulating 6 games for multiple reasons.

Firstly, who is in charge of the club strategic decisions and direction? The board or L Council or PVL?

Lee says the outer west is the future. But the club has not yet formally outlined a strategic intent regarding stadiums. The lack of strategic direction has led to other making decisions on our behalf or dictating terms to us.

Secondly, $50m for 6 games is selling ourselves CHEAP. Penrith get a $300m stadium for 12 games a year. 

If the future aim is to get a brand new 27k stadium at CS worth $300m then it cannot be equal to a $50m upgrade of LO. Everything needs a value. 

Thirdly, better late than never, the board (the club) needs to come out and clearly outline its intent for the future of the club and stadium strategy now.

If it's 8 / 4 split in favour of CS like most on the forum seem to support, that needs to be made clear now. There's no need to sell yourself so cheap

A redeveloped LO (rebuilt Lachem etc) i think would support a 6 /6 split.

it would be equivalent to what St George do and I think gives both areas  sufficient exposure. We aren’t getting a $300m stadium at Campbelltown. The Bulls look like they are going to fold or move.

$50m isn't a redevelopment of LO, it's an upgrade.

Current capacity is around 17k? You'd be lucky to get it to 20k with upgrade.

If we are serious, we need to play majority of games at a stadium that can at least hold 25-30k.

An upgraded boutique stadium at LO is ok for the minority of games but not half.

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If wanted to get a major modern stadium that accommodates 30k that’s SFS.

im an SFS supporter but absent that the failure of the Bulls has really made me nervous about going all in on Campbelltown. By all means pour money into juniors, academy etc and play games out there but professional sporting teams have been moving to Campbelltown and dying for the past 40 years.


   
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If wanted to get a major modern stadium that accommodates 30k that’s SFS.

im an SFS supporter but absent that the failure of the Bulls has really made me nervous about going all in on Campbelltown. By all means pour money into juniors, academy etc and play games out there but professional sporting teams have been moving to Campbelltown and dying for the past 40 years.

I really think Campbelltown is an all or nothing scenario. If we had based ourselves full time out there, if we still owned the club at Leumeah and if the council/state government were keen to build a better facility it might have been the way to go 10-12 years ago. I think with CofE at Concord we’ve shown our hands and are the ‘Inner Wests Tigers’ and that means playing a majority of games in that area (or thereabouts). I’m not saying I agree with where we are at, but I think it’s becoming clearer as to where we might be heading.

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@helmesy I can not see the Wests Group getting burnt twice …Campbelltown has juniors but nothing else that has any relevance to the club anymore  .. same as Leichhardt a few minor upgrades does not make the place anymore desirable still will be a 60’ s relic , there is talk of replacing the grandstand .. why on earth would you do that ! if in all seriousness a proper upgrade would be to build a new stand on the hill that is if this is a serious proposal…The club needs to move into he future and brake the shackles of the past .

It has taken 20yrs to be in exactly the same place …they are now being pressured by the same council and Councillors that destroyed one part of the venture and go figure posters here think it’s fine ..self centered thinking is the one reason this club has no home ..has no identity  this really needs to stop .

The club needs a fresh approach the past needs to be left there in the past , a modern stadium needs to become the Weststigers home ground for ALL its supporters there are three pick one ! 

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Always get a laugh when a council is given money for a task by a third party then spend a major portion on something totally different … Money from the government to the NRL for the Leichhardt oval development to be spent on the local aquatic centre by the council.

How anyone gets sucked into this rubbish amazes me !

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Always get a laugh when a council is given money for a task by a third party then spend a major portion on something totally different … Money from the government to the NRL for the Leichhardt oval development to be spent on the local aquatic centre by the council.

How anyone gets sucked into this rubbish amazes me !

More votes in that area for a shiny new aquatic centre than a new grandstand.

Probably 90% of the people who use that facility actually live in the Inner West council area, 90% of visitors to Leichhardt oval don’t.

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@helmesy I can not see the Wests Group getting burnt twice …Campbelltown has juniors but nothing else that has any relevance to the club anymore  .. same as Leichhardt a few minor upgrades does not make the place anymore desirable still will be a 60’ s relic , there is talk of replacing the grandstand .. why on earth would you do that ! if in all seriousness a proper upgrade would be to build a new stand on the hill that is if this is a serious proposal…The club needs to move into he future and brake the shackles of the past .

It has taken 20yrs to be in exactly the same place …they are now being pressured by the same council and Councillors that destroyed one part of the venture and go figure posters here think it’s fine ..self centered thinking is the one reason this club has no home ..has no identity  this really needs to stop .

The club needs a fresh approach the past needs to be left there in the past , a modern stadium needs to become the Weststigers home ground for ALL its supporters there are three pick one ! 

Yes, in Garry’s interview with Keith Galloway, Keith said “we have more history than another club” ie two shared histories of 90 years apiece as foundation clubs. That’s great, but history shouldn’t be an anchor around our necks. As you say, we have no real tangible links with Campbelltown anymore and it just complicates things to the extreme. Either go lock, stock and barrel or focus your energy and resources into the inner west and be done with trying to be everything to everyone. I agree re Leichhardt oval. The funding should go to improving what is there, not major rebuilds. It’s a boutique ground that should get 2-3 special games per year. We need big picture macro thinking, not doing the same thing over again and again and expecting a different outcome.

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