To be honest, I am not a fan of member voted boards for NRL clubs, I believe it is outdated and leads to instability of the club, yes I know we are unstable now.
it cuts both ways. At the end of the day it’s not our club, it’s the 25 debenture holders who are the only stakeholders that count. A token board seat means nothing given the evidence of how WA runs all the boards they control. It’s not the board that matters it is the ownership that matters and I can’t see a scenario where the current owners would ever sell unless the leagues club itself needed the cash. Given it has a government license to tax it’s members pay checks via the pokies I can’t see them ever selling.
We would be more likely to have a successful club to support if the NRL forced a move to another location. A new franchise would have to attract strong funding and governance.
@tigertownsfs very informative TT.
Garry has told me this before but you've gone into more detail.
These 25 “debenture members" are appointed or selected by WA? If so it's a fool proof way for the board to be untouchable isn't it?
Apart from what you've said, is there any legal ramifications if the NRL said stiff bickies, clubs can't have a licence unless season ticket holders are given a chance to apply for membership and a certain percentage is to be maintained. I'm probably not explaining myself correctly so excuse my ignorance. I just find it difficult that a club can ignore the majority of it's fan base or at least let them have a say, or do they....am I missing something.
My next question is how do privately owned clubs go about things? I would imagine they would run it as they see fit meaning they select their own board and executives or are there stakeholders involved? Are the WT unique in this?
I'll check in tomorrow as the Hong Kong Sevens bekons 😁
Ok it gets complicated once you are talking about Debenture holders, basically this was used to raise funds by Wests Ashfield. I believe these were unsecured funds provided by people and in returned it gave them certain right in the club. The main right they have is that they select 5 members of the 7 member Wests Ashfield (now Holman Barnes Group) board. There are currently 20 Debenture Holders of the Holman Barnes Group so they elect the balance of power for the Wests Ashfield Board which then filters down to the Wests Tigers and West Magpies Boards that the Wests Ashfield board has full control over. I believe these Debentures can be bought and sold.
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MMM going a bit feral on Tigers management
Graham makes some good points, but the rest of them are a real murderers row of the worst of NRL media.
Tallis saying Laurie has been our best player gives us a good idea of his recognition of where the tigers are.
Tigers fans: The media always attack the Tigers over meaningless things, I wish they would leave us alone.
Also Tigers fans ; "Oh look, Pascoe was looking at his phone in the dressing room!!!! Thats disgraceful! Look, here is a link to the media bleating about it!"
Tigers fans: The media always attack the Tigers over meaningless things, I wish they would leave us alone.
Also Tigers fans ; "Oh look, Pascoe was looking at his phone in the dressing room!!!! Thats disgraceful! Look, here is a link to the media bleating about it!"
Can you believe he was in Brisbane kicking a football on the field? Off with his head.
At this point, Pascoe could be in an orphanage on Christmas Day handing out expensive gifts and the fans would still go for his throat. About as popular as leprosy right now.
Tigers fans: The media always attack the Tigers over meaningless things, I wish they would leave us alone.
Also Tigers fans ; "Oh look, Pascoe was looking at his phone in the dressing room!!!! Thats disgraceful! Look, here is a link to the media bleating about it!"
Can you believe he was in Brisbane kicking a football on the field? Off with his head.
At this point, Pascoe could be in an orphanage on Christmas Day handing out expensive gifts and the fans would still go for his throat. About as popular as leprosy right now.
Fans have run out of people to blame
Tigers fans: The media always attack the Tigers over meaningless things, I wish they would leave us alone.
Also Tigers fans ; "Oh look, Pascoe was looking at his phone in the dressing room!!!! Thats disgraceful! Look, here is a link to the media bleating about it!"
Can you believe he was in Brisbane kicking a football on the field? Off with his head.
At this point, Pascoe could be in an orphanage on Christmas Day handing out expensive gifts and the fans would still go for his throat. About as popular as leprosy right now.
Fans have run out of people to blame
Literally, Pascoe is one of the few things we haven't changed.
Assuming The Board never changes itself voluntarily, I do hope Lee H and Pascoe leave. At least then we can stop talking about needing to overhaul the management, and put it to the test. It doesn't seem to matter that we've actually had several prior managers (Noyce, Longmuir, Humphreys, Meyer) and none of them oversaw long periods of Tigers success, nor does anyone remember for a while that Tigers were in financial trouble and required an NRL bail-out and Board intervention with independent members assigned.
And Lee H might be unpopular but we weren't winning when Marina Go or Fatty O'Barrell were the chairperson either.
But sure, move them both on and then we can see just how quickly Tigers do or do not improve. I am still of the opinion that on-field improvement is 95% the responsibility of the coaching staff, pathways and the players, not the admin. I don't subscribe to Mike's idea that making typos or other minor mistakes trickle down to on-field performance. Like I said before, we just built an $80M CoE and that hasn't yet impacted player performance one iota, and surely that would account for more than a typo or other inconsequential error?
Maybe then, once we've moved everybody on, we'll have to sack the merchandise lady and the canteen chef because they are the last "common denominator" of the lack of success.
Tigers fans: The media always attack the Tigers over meaningless things, I wish they would leave us alone.
Also Tigers fans ; "Oh look, Pascoe was looking at his phone in the dressing room!!!! Thats disgraceful! Look, here is a link to the media bleating about it!"
Can you believe he was in Brisbane kicking a football on the field? Off with his head.
At this point, Pascoe could be in an orphanage on Christmas Day handing out expensive gifts and the fans would still go for his throat. About as popular as leprosy right now.
Fans have run out of people to blame
Literally, Pascoe is one of the few things we haven't changed.
Assuming The Board never changes itself voluntarily, I do hope Lee H and Pascoe leave. At least then we can stop talking about needing to overhaul the management, and put it to the test. It doesn't seem to matter that we've actually had several prior managers (Noyce, Longmuir, Humphreys, Meyer) and none of them oversaw long periods of Tigers success, nor does anyone remember for a while that Tigers were in financial trouble and required an NRL bail-out and Board intervention with independent members assigned.
And Lee H might be unpopular but we weren't winning when Marina Go or Fatty O'Barrell were the chairperson either.
But sure, move them both on and then we can see just how quickly Tigers do or do not improve. I am still of the opinion that on-field improvement is 95% the responsibility of the coaching staff, pathways and the players, not the admin. I don't subscribe to Mike's idea that making typos or other minor mistakes trickle down to on-field performance. Like I said before, we just built an $80M CoE and that hasn't yet impacted player performance one iota, and surely that would account for more than a typo or other inconsequential error?
Maybe then, once we've moved everybody on, we'll have to sack the merchandise lady and the canteen chef because they are the last "common denominator" of the lack of success.
Well put and I agree with you. I was happy that Madge got shafted, it hasnt fixed the problems though. Sacking Pascoe & Lee similarly wont fix anything, may have the opposite effect. That list you have of Noyce, Longmuir, Humpreys & Meyer got us to the point where the NRL had to step in and save us. Under Pascoe the only thing saving us from being kicked out or relocated is the off field performance of the club.
By your reasoning then Madge wasn't the problem? You think Sheens/Marshall is the answer?Tigers fans: The media always attack the Tigers over meaningless things, I wish they would leave us alone.
Also Tigers fans ; "Oh look, Pascoe was looking at his phone in the dressing room!!!! Thats disgraceful! Look, here is a link to the media bleating about it!"
Can you believe he was in Brisbane kicking a football on the field? Off with his head.
At this point, Pascoe could be in an orphanage on Christmas Day handing out expensive gifts and the fans would still go for his throat. About as popular as leprosy right now.
Fans have run out of people to blame
Literally, Pascoe is one of the few things we haven't changed.
Assuming The Board never changes itself voluntarily, I do hope Lee H and Pascoe leave. At least then we can stop talking about needing to overhaul the management, and put it to the test. It doesn't seem to matter that we've actually had several prior managers (Noyce, Longmuir, Humphreys, Meyer) and none of them oversaw long periods of Tigers success, nor does anyone remember for a while that Tigers were in financial trouble and required an NRL bail-out and Board intervention with independent members assigned.
And Lee H might be unpopular but we weren't winning when Marina Go or Fatty O'Barrell were the chairperson either.
But sure, move them both on and then we can see just how quickly Tigers do or do not improve. I am still of the opinion that on-field improvement is 95% the responsibility of the coaching staff, pathways and the players, not the admin. I don't subscribe to Mike's idea that making typos or other minor mistakes trickle down to on-field performance. Like I said before, we just built an $80M CoE and that hasn't yet impacted player performance one iota, and surely that would account for more than a typo or other inconsequential error?
Maybe then, once we've moved everybody on, we'll have to sack the merchandise lady and the canteen chef because they are the last "common denominator" of the lack of success.
Well put and I agree with you. I was happy that Madge got shafted, it hasnt fixed the problems though. Sacking Pascoe & Lee similarly wont fix anything, may have the opposite effect. That list you have of Noyce, Longmuir, Humpreys & Meyer got us to the point where the NRL had to step in and save us. Under Pascoe the only thing saving us from being kicked out or relocated is the off field performance of the club.
By your reasoning then Madge wasn't the problem? You think Sheens/Marshall is the answer?Tigers fans: The media always attack the Tigers over meaningless things, I wish they would leave us alone.
Also Tigers fans ; "Oh look, Pascoe was looking at his phone in the dressing room!!!! Thats disgraceful! Look, here is a link to the media bleating about it!"
Can you believe he was in Brisbane kicking a football on the field? Off with his head.
At this point, Pascoe could be in an orphanage on Christmas Day handing out expensive gifts and the fans would still go for his throat. About as popular as leprosy right now.
Fans have run out of people to blame
Literally, Pascoe is one of the few things we haven't changed.
Assuming The Board never changes itself voluntarily, I do hope Lee H and Pascoe leave. At least then we can stop talking about needing to overhaul the management, and put it to the test. It doesn't seem to matter that we've actually had several prior managers (Noyce, Longmuir, Humphreys, Meyer) and none of them oversaw long periods of Tigers success, nor does anyone remember for a while that Tigers were in financial trouble and required an NRL bail-out and Board intervention with independent members assigned.
And Lee H might be unpopular but we weren't winning when Marina Go or Fatty O'Barrell were the chairperson either.
But sure, move them both on and then we can see just how quickly Tigers do or do not improve. I am still of the opinion that on-field improvement is 95% the responsibility of the coaching staff, pathways and the players, not the admin. I don't subscribe to Mike's idea that making typos or other minor mistakes trickle down to on-field performance. Like I said before, we just built an $80M CoE and that hasn't yet impacted player performance one iota, and surely that would account for more than a typo or other inconsequential error?
Maybe then, once we've moved everybody on, we'll have to sack the merchandise lady and the canteen chef because they are the last "common denominator" of the lack of success.
Well put and I agree with you. I was happy that Madge got shafted, it hasnt fixed the problems though. Sacking Pascoe & Lee similarly wont fix anything, may have the opposite effect. That list you have of Noyce, Longmuir, Humpreys & Meyer got us to the point where the NRL had to step in and save us. Under Pascoe the only thing saving us from being kicked out or relocated is the off field performance of the club.
That is my whole point. Sacking someone is potentially not the answer, the replacement is potentially.
"I was happy that Madge got shafted". That's a weird thing to put in your case that sacking someone is potentially not the answer.By your reasoning then Madge wasn't the problem? You think Sheens/Marshall is the answer?Tigers fans: The media always attack the Tigers over meaningless things, I wish they would leave us alone.
Also Tigers fans ; "Oh look, Pascoe was looking at his phone in the dressing room!!!! Thats disgraceful! Look, here is a link to the media bleating about it!"
Can you believe he was in Brisbane kicking a football on the field? Off with his head.
At this point, Pascoe could be in an orphanage on Christmas Day handing out expensive gifts and the fans would still go for his throat. About as popular as leprosy right now.
Fans have run out of people to blame
Literally, Pascoe is one of the few things we haven't changed.
Assuming The Board never changes itself voluntarily, I do hope Lee H and Pascoe leave. At least then we can stop talking about needing to overhaul the management, and put it to the test. It doesn't seem to matter that we've actually had several prior managers (Noyce, Longmuir, Humphreys, Meyer) and none of them oversaw long periods of Tigers success, nor does anyone remember for a while that Tigers were in financial trouble and required an NRL bail-out and Board intervention with independent members assigned.
And Lee H might be unpopular but we weren't winning when Marina Go or Fatty O'Barrell were the chairperson either.
But sure, move them both on and then we can see just how quickly Tigers do or do not improve. I am still of the opinion that on-field improvement is 95% the responsibility of the coaching staff, pathways and the players, not the admin. I don't subscribe to Mike's idea that making typos or other minor mistakes trickle down to on-field performance. Like I said before, we just built an $80M CoE and that hasn't yet impacted player performance one iota, and surely that would account for more than a typo or other inconsequential error?
Maybe then, once we've moved everybody on, we'll have to sack the merchandise lady and the canteen chef because they are the last "common denominator" of the lack of success.
Well put and I agree with you. I was happy that Madge got shafted, it hasnt fixed the problems though. Sacking Pascoe & Lee similarly wont fix anything, may have the opposite effect. That list you have of Noyce, Longmuir, Humpreys & Meyer got us to the point where the NRL had to step in and save us. Under Pascoe the only thing saving us from being kicked out or relocated is the off field performance of the club.
That is my whole point. Sacking someone is potentially not the answer, the replacement is potentially.
But, I know I will be happy when the hapless Sheens/McDonnell/Marshall/Furner facade is punted. And, as soon as possible.
"I was happy that Madge got shafted". That's a weird thing to put in your case that sacking someone is potentially not the answer.By your reasoning then Madge wasn't the problem? You think Sheens/Marshall is the answer?Tigers fans: The media always attack the Tigers over meaningless things, I wish they would leave us alone.
Also Tigers fans ; "Oh look, Pascoe was looking at his phone in the dressing room!!!! Thats disgraceful! Look, here is a link to the media bleating about it!"
Can you believe he was in Brisbane kicking a football on the field? Off with his head.
At this point, Pascoe could be in an orphanage on Christmas Day handing out expensive gifts and the fans would still go for his throat. About as popular as leprosy right now.
Fans have run out of people to blame
Literally, Pascoe is one of the few things we haven't changed.
Assuming The Board never changes itself voluntarily, I do hope Lee H and Pascoe leave. At least then we can stop talking about needing to overhaul the management, and put it to the test. It doesn't seem to matter that we've actually had several prior managers (Noyce, Longmuir, Humphreys, Meyer) and none of them oversaw long periods of Tigers success, nor does anyone remember for a while that Tigers were in financial trouble and required an NRL bail-out and Board intervention with independent members assigned.
And Lee H might be unpopular but we weren't winning when Marina Go or Fatty O'Barrell were the chairperson either.
But sure, move them both on and then we can see just how quickly Tigers do or do not improve. I am still of the opinion that on-field improvement is 95% the responsibility of the coaching staff, pathways and the players, not the admin. I don't subscribe to Mike's idea that making typos or other minor mistakes trickle down to on-field performance. Like I said before, we just built an $80M CoE and that hasn't yet impacted player performance one iota, and surely that would account for more than a typo or other inconsequential error?
Maybe then, once we've moved everybody on, we'll have to sack the merchandise lady and the canteen chef because they are the last "common denominator" of the lack of success.
Well put and I agree with you. I was happy that Madge got shafted, it hasnt fixed the problems though. Sacking Pascoe & Lee similarly wont fix anything, may have the opposite effect. That list you have of Noyce, Longmuir, Humpreys & Meyer got us to the point where the NRL had to step in and save us. Under Pascoe the only thing saving us from being kicked out or relocated is the off field performance of the club.
That is my whole point. Sacking someone is potentially not the answer, the replacement is potentially.
But, I know I will be happy when the hapless Sheens/McDonnell/Marshall/Furner facade is punted. And, as soon as possible.
Then you are misunderstanding me. Let me try to be clearer. You will be happy when the hapless Sheens/McDonnell/Marshall/Furner facade is punted. What if they replace them with an 80yo Alan Jones and they dont win a game for another 4 years? Will that have fixed the problem? Is that the answer?
What if they replace them with an 80yo Alan Jones
Oh my God! It can get worse
Don't speak to into existence!
We all joined about Sheens becoming coach, then it happened..... 🙃
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To me that’s just an excuse to keep the status quo and do nothing. As far as I’m concerned there are no excuses. Instead we should be looking at what we can do to move forward. The time of doing nothing about the front office has well and truly passed."I was happy that Madge got shafted". That's a weird thing to put in your case that sacking someone is potentially not the answer.By your reasoning then Madge wasn't the problem? You think Sheens/Marshall is the answer?Tigers fans: The media always attack the Tigers over meaningless things, I wish they would leave us alone.
Also Tigers fans ; "Oh look, Pascoe was looking at his phone in the dressing room!!!! Thats disgraceful! Look, here is a link to the media bleating about it!"
Can you believe he was in Brisbane kicking a football on the field? Off with his head.
At this point, Pascoe could be in an orphanage on Christmas Day handing out expensive gifts and the fans would still go for his throat. About as popular as leprosy right now.
Fans have run out of people to blame
Literally, Pascoe is one of the few things we haven't changed.
Assuming The Board never changes itself voluntarily, I do hope Lee H and Pascoe leave. At least then we can stop talking about needing to overhaul the management, and put it to the test. It doesn't seem to matter that we've actually had several prior managers (Noyce, Longmuir, Humphreys, Meyer) and none of them oversaw long periods of Tigers success, nor does anyone remember for a while that Tigers were in financial trouble and required an NRL bail-out and Board intervention with independent members assigned.
And Lee H might be unpopular but we weren't winning when Marina Go or Fatty O'Barrell were the chairperson either.
But sure, move them both on and then we can see just how quickly Tigers do or do not improve. I am still of the opinion that on-field improvement is 95% the responsibility of the coaching staff, pathways and the players, not the admin. I don't subscribe to Mike's idea that making typos or other minor mistakes trickle down to on-field performance. Like I said before, we just built an $80M CoE and that hasn't yet impacted player performance one iota, and surely that would account for more than a typo or other inconsequential error?
Maybe then, once we've moved everybody on, we'll have to sack the merchandise lady and the canteen chef because they are the last "common denominator" of the lack of success.
Well put and I agree with you. I was happy that Madge got shafted, it hasnt fixed the problems though. Sacking Pascoe & Lee similarly wont fix anything, may have the opposite effect. That list you have of Noyce, Longmuir, Humpreys & Meyer got us to the point where the NRL had to step in and save us. Under Pascoe the only thing saving us from being kicked out or relocated is the off field performance of the club.
That is my whole point. Sacking someone is potentially not the answer, the replacement is potentially.
But, I know I will be happy when the hapless Sheens/McDonnell/Marshall/Furner facade is punted. And, as soon as possible.
Then you are misunderstanding me. Let me try to be clearer. You will be happy when the hapless Sheens/McDonnell/Marshall/Furner facade is punted. What if they replace them with an 80yo Alan Jones and they dont win a game for another 4 years? Will that have fixed the problem? Is that the answer?
