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Garry
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There is no way I would sit there and let someone call me a liar on television.

In memory of Geoff Chisholm (1965-2022)


   
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Posted by: @garry

There is no way I would sit there and let someone call me a liar on television.

Unless your lying 🤔

But I agree, if your innocent why get players to do your dirty work, that's the only thing that I'm upset about.

Coaches and players should not be in a position to try and explain front office affairs. Look what happened to poor old Des and the infamous rainbow fiasco.

The only thing I want to hear from players and coaches is what's happening on Monday! If your reading this JP, stand up!

Or you could go on another holiday to the interior and confirm to us our suspicions.

 


   
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Posted by: @crowsnest

But I agree, if your innocent why get players to do your dirty work, that's the only thing that I'm upset about.

I agree fully with this.

In memory of Geoff Chisholm (1965-2022)


   
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Posted by: @tigertownsfs

Posted by: @tiger5150

Posted by: @mercy-rule

Posted by: @mickb

Posted by: @tiger5150

Posted by: @tigerlily

https://www.weststigers.com.au/news/2023/04/06/reaction-to-false-media-claims/

 

Did everyone else read that in Lee's voice like i did?

 

 

I cant believe the club would do this.

 

They made the error.

The media piled on to them

The Club corrected the error with a new jersey.

Every could and should at that point move on.

 

Instead, Chairman and CEO put out another statement to drag the saga on. Further distracting players.

If they had consulted a PR firm prior this further statement would never have been issued. Read the room 🙁

 

It's laughable that WT would think that statement would do anything to placate a concerned and disillusioned members/fans group. If anything, the number of possible protesters at Accor on Monday should increase. I agree that Chairman Mouth and J-useless Pascoe have misread the room, yet again. In the Deluded Turd Olympics I'm awarding a triple gold medal to Chair, CEO and Kent. 

 

 

I dont think the fans are the target audience for that statement, I think its a shot across the bow of certain members of the media to be careful about what they say and to not lie or be defamatory about the club.

 

 

smart move then from the club. threatening to sue the larger media company in Australia…..

 

Did they?

 


   
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Posted by: @garry

They might as well give me a show lol

 

You could call it "Beardpinions"

 


   
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Posted by: @garry

They might as well give me a show lol

 

 

You could call it "Beardpinions"

 

You couldn't be a guest on that though lol

 

In memory of Geoff Chisholm (1965-2022)


   
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This issue isn't Kent's fault its the clubs

The club has now issued 3 statements on this matter:

1. To justify the image and point the finger at Holsworthy saying they approved the image

2. To apologies and say they will change the image

3. To double down on the first statement and prove they were right.

 

If they club had of just went with the 2nd statement first (I.e we apologies and we'll change the image immediately) we wouldn't still be talking about it and Kent's would of had nothing else to say.

The club have handled it badly - and I think it's an example where there mentality of 'everyone else is out to get us' means they shoot themselves in the foot

 

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Posted by: @frullens

This issue isn't Kent's fault its the clubs

The club has now issued 3 statements on this matter:

1. To justify the image and point the finger at Holsworthy saying they approved the image

2. To apologies and say they will change the image

3. To double down on the first statement and prove they were right.

 

If they club had of just went with the 2nd statement first (I.e we apologies and we'll change the image immediately) we wouldn't still be talking about it and Kent's would of had nothing else to say.

The club have handled it badly - and I think it's an example where there mentality of 'everyone else is out to get us' means they shoot themselves in the foot

 

I agree with this. Pointing out that Holsworthy barracks shared blame whilst perhaps technically true was terrible. The barracks was voluntarily helping the club (who was going to use the jersey’s to make money) and now they have been made to look like complete idiots. None of this is about the ANZAC sacrifice, it is about the club making money and for the army I assume it is about trying to make the army look cool/help recruitment. It’s now blown up in our face and I will guarantee you the club will double down next year and do another jersey to prove they can’t be bullied by the media.

i just wish the club would produce some nice heritage jersey’s because they would actually sell like hot cakes. 

 


   
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Posted by: @frullens

This issue isn't Kent's fault its the clubs

The club has now issued 3 statements on this matter:

1. To justify the image and point the finger at Holsworthy saying they approved the image

2. To apologies and say they will change the image

3. To double down on the first statement and prove they were right.

 

If they club had of just went with the 2nd statement first (I.e we apologies and we'll change the image immediately) we wouldn't still be talking about it and Kent's would of had nothing else to say.

The club have handled it badly - and I think it's an example where there mentality of 'everyone else is out to get us' means they shoot themselves in the foot

 

i f Kent didn’t maliciously lie about the club on national tv, it ends at 2. 

club clearly screwed up but I’m amazed that people object to the club correcting Kent’s defamatory lying

 


   
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Posted by: @tiger5150

Posted by: @mercy-rule

Posted by: @mickb

Posted by: @tiger5150

Posted by: @tigerlily

https://www.weststigers.com.au/news/2023/04/06/reaction-to-false-media-claims/

 

Did everyone else read that in Lee's voice like i did?

 

 

I cant believe the club would do this.

 

They made the error.

The media piled on to them

The Club corrected the error with a new jersey.

Every could and should at that point move on.

 

Instead, Chairman and CEO put out another statement to drag the saga on. Further distracting players.

If they had consulted a PR firm prior this further statement would never have been issued. Read the room 🙁

 

It's laughable that WT would think that statement would do anything to placate a concerned and disillusioned members/fans group. If anything, the number of possible protesters at Accor on Monday should increase. I agree that Chairman Mouth and J-useless Pascoe have misread the room, yet again. In the Deluded Turd Olympics I'm awarding a triple gold medal to Chair, CEO and Kent. 

 

 

I dont think the fans are the target audience for that statement, I think its a shot across the bow of certain members of the media to be careful about what they say and to not lie or be defamatory about the club.

 

It doesn't matter who the target audience is, it arrived in my inbox and I'm not a media person. So, I assume it was meant to resonate, in some way, with me.

And, it did. It made me understand that we're nowhere yet near the bottom of the cliff of WT management's disastrous decisions based on petty egos, delusion and arrogance. We're freefalling, that's obvious, but who knows what comes next?

I'm so looking forward to being at Accor on Monday. See you there!

 


   
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Posted by: @tiger5150

Posted by: @frullens

This issue isn't Kent's fault its the clubs

The club has now issued 3 statements on this matter:

1. To justify the image and point the finger at Holsworthy saying they approved the image

2. To apologies and say they will change the image

3. To double down on the first statement and prove they were right.

 

If they club had of just went with the 2nd statement first (I.e we apologies and we'll change the image immediately) we wouldn't still be talking about it and Kent's would of had nothing else to say.

The club have handled it badly - and I think it's an example where there mentality of 'everyone else is out to get us' means they shoot themselves in the foot

 

i f Kent didn’t maliciously lie about the club on national tv, it ends at 2. 

club clearly screwed up but I’m amazed that people object to the club correcting Kent’s defamatory lying

 

 

kents job is to attract eye balls and clicks. Pascoes is to win premierships. Who is doing their job more effectively?

 


   
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Posted by: @tigertownsfs

kents job is to attract eye balls and clicks. Pascoes is to win premierships. Who is doing their job more effectively?

Yep, that's about where it stands hey.

I just want to know if Canberra did in fact deny in writing that JP approached the Defence for advice. As I recall, Fox Sports displayed a statement that they put together. If Kent can't provide that then he should retract the statement. 

Anyway I'm on the Tigers players side not the board's. Let get back to playing footy.

 


   
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Posted by: @tigertownsfs

Posted by: @tiger5150

Posted by: @frullens

This issue isn't Kent's fault its the clubs

The club has now issued 3 statements on this matter:

1. To justify the image and point the finger at Holsworthy saying they approved the image

2. To apologies and say they will change the image

3. To double down on the first statement and prove they were right.

 

If they club had of just went with the 2nd statement first (I.e we apologies and we'll change the image immediately) we wouldn't still be talking about it and Kent's would of had nothing else to say.

The club have handled it badly - and I think it's an example where there mentality of 'everyone else is out to get us' means they shoot themselves in the foot

 

i f Kent didn’t maliciously lie about the club on national tv, it ends at 2. 

club clearly screwed up but I’m amazed that people object to the club correcting Kent’s defamatory lying

 

 

kents job is to attract eye balls and clicks. Pascoes is to win premierships. Who is doing their job more effectively?

 

 

Ends justifies the means? Wasnt it about 24hrs ago that this forum was up in arms with the suggestion that Pascoe lied? When Kent lies, about the club we supposedly love and support, alls fair?

 

More than one thing can be true at once. The club can be embarrassingly inept AND it can be totally unprincipled to lie on national TV about our club. Many here are willing and in fact happy to completely swallow any principles about what is wrong if it supports the narrative that Pascoe is in competent. I actually find it offensive.

 


   
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Posted by: @tigertownsfs

Posted by: @frullens

This issue isn't Kent's fault its the clubs

The club has now issued 3 statements on this matter:

1. To justify the image and point the finger at Holsworthy saying they approved the image

2. To apologies and say they will change the image

3. To double down on the first statement and prove they were right.

 

If they club had of just went with the 2nd statement first (I.e we apologies and we'll change the image immediately) we wouldn't still be talking about it and Kent's would of had nothing else to say.

The club have handled it badly - and I think it's an example where there mentality of 'everyone else is out to get us' means they shoot themselves in the foot

 

I agree with this. Pointing out that Holsworthy barracks shared blame whilst perhaps technically true was terrible. The barracks was voluntarily helping the club (who was going to use the jersey’s to make money) and now they have been made to look like complete idiots. None of this is about the ANZAC sacrifice, it is about the club making money and for the army I assume it is about trying to make the army look cool/help recruitment. It’s now blown up in our face and I will guarantee you the club will double down next year and do another jersey to prove they can’t be bullied by the media.

i just wish the club would produce some nice heritage jersey’s because they would actually sell like hot cakes. 

 

 

Come on......I know we all want to jump in the pile on but lets be serious. EVERY club will wear a commemorative jersey for ANZAC day. If the Tigers were the only ones that didnt (because they didnt want to make money out of it), you and Kent and everyone else would be up in arms about the Tigers disrespecting the diggers.

 


   
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Posted by: @mercy-rule

Posted by: @tiger5150

Posted by: @mercy-rule

Posted by: @mickb

Posted by: @tiger5150

Posted by: @tigerlily

https://www.weststigers.com.au/news/2023/04/06/reaction-to-false-media-claims/

 

Did everyone else read that in Lee's voice like i did?

 

 

I cant believe the club would do this.

 

They made the error.

The media piled on to them

The Club corrected the error with a new jersey.

Every could and should at that point move on.

 

Instead, Chairman and CEO put out another statement to drag the saga on. Further distracting players.

If they had consulted a PR firm prior this further statement would never have been issued. Read the room 🙁

 

It's laughable that WT would think that statement would do anything to placate a concerned and disillusioned members/fans group. If anything, the number of possible protesters at Accor on Monday should increase. I agree that Chairman Mouth and J-useless Pascoe have misread the room, yet again. In the Deluded Turd Olympics I'm awarding a triple gold medal to Chair, CEO and Kent. 

 

 

I dont think the fans are the target audience for that statement, I think its a shot across the bow of certain members of the media to be careful about what they say and to not lie or be defamatory about the club.

 

It doesn't matter who the target audience is, it arrived in my inbox and I'm not a media person. So, I assume it was meant to resonate, in some way, with me.

And, it did. It made me understand that we're nowhere yet near the bottom of the cliff of WT management's disastrous decisions based on petty egos, delusion and arrogance. We're freefalling, that's obvious, but who knows what comes next?

I'm so looking forward to being at Accor on Monday. See you there!

 

 

Everyone will see what they wanted to see. 24hrs ago this forum was up in arms about Pascoe lying about collaborating with Holsworthy. Everyone here was up in arms about the club calling it a commemorative jersey and not an ANZAC jersey and the consensus was it was because the club knew that the soldiers werent Aussie. That statement explains that Pascoe didnt lie about Holsworthy (Photos back that up). The statement explains that it was a NRL directive not to call it an ANZAC jersey.

Im glad they made a statement because I want to know the truth. The truth matters to me. To others the narrative is more important to the truth and that statement doesnt support it. These are usually the same people who complain that the club isnt "open and transparent".

 


   
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