1. Laurie
2. Ken
3. To'a
4. Roberts
5. Nofo
6. Hastings
7. Madden
8. Stef
9. Simpkin (if not fit, Rua upgrade)
10. Twal
11. Tuilagi
12. Leilua
13. Joe O
14. Peachey
15. Seyfarth
16. Mikaele
17. Musgrove
Gildart needs time in reserves to work on his defence. He has a nice turn of foot but is completely clueless in how to defend.
Brooks needs a change of club. Every year we discuss ad nauseum making moves around him to make him improve, or blaming his performances on other factors. We dominated the ruck in the first 40 with 68% possession and apart from the kick to Ken he did nothing. In fact he often killed our momentum by taking the wrong option. In the second half we were crying out for some leadership and he provided none, again. We just need to finally rip the band aid off and move on with someone else. And for the record i'm not a Brooks hater, I thought under Cleary and Potter before him he played some excellent football. But since Madge came on board it's been a constant decline and it's not going to get any better. They're oil and water.
Sadly, I think until Liddle is fit (or Rua is included) we'll show little threat from DH meaning the defence can focus their attention on Brooks and Hastings. Simpkin was OK but was very conservative in attack and looked like someone just trying to get through 80 minutes.
I'd roll with the same team as round 1 and work on defence with Gildart. Unless you're beaten by 60 I don't think you make significant changes after one game. The only thing which needs to change is the use of the bench.
As long as no one over reacts..
if you're referring to my comments about Brooks it's his 9th season. He's not getting any better.
As for Gildart, I haven't written him off at all, but I think he needs some time to work on his defence in reserve grade. It wasn't necessarily his technique I just think he looked a bit clueless.
Sadly, I think until Liddle is fit (or Rua is included) we'll show little threat from DH meaning the defence can focus their attention on Brooks and Hastings. Simpkin was OK but was very conservative in attack and looked like someone just trying to get through 80 minutes.
I'd roll with the same team as round 1 and work on defence with Gildart. Unless you're beaten by 60 I don't think you make significant changes after one game. The only thing which needs to change is the use of the bench.
I think Simpkin's service from DH was really good. Way crisper than Liddle and I think that contributed to us dominating the ruck in the first half. He was completely gassed in the 2nd half but I don't blame him from that. He's played a handful of games over the last couple of years and got very limited trial minutes. I liked what I saw from him.
Agree with you 1,000,000% regarding the bench.
As long as no one over reacts..
if you're referring to my comments about Brooks it's his 9th season. He's not getting any better.
As for Gildart, I haven't written him off at all, but I think he needs some time to work on his defence in reserve grade. It wasn't necessarily his technique I just think he looked a bit clueless.
State Cup was woeful yesterday ..I'm all for giving a guys a chance but not for the sake of it just being someone different..these blokes need to be knocking down the door to be picked.. not one put their hand up.. T'oa was solid but that's it.
It's Brooks 8th season if you don't count that 1 game as a whole season.. he has his issues sure but is a far superior NRL player than Jock Madden at this present time..if Gildardt needs time to work on defence in reserve grade then Madden certainly does ..a no name Mounties team ran through him for 2 TRIES yesterday..he also provided zero direction for the team bar 1 good kick..he may well develop into a good 1st grader but as we have seen it's difficult to do that in 1st grade..these guys have played very little footy in the past 2 years
We may not agree but to me you pick your best players week in week out baring injury in an attempt to build match combinations to win games.. changing for the sake of changing is not an optimal direction as far as I'm concerned..
As long as no one over reacts..
if you're referring to my comments about Brooks it's his 9th season. He's not getting any better.
As for Gildart, I haven't written him off at all, but I think he needs some time to work on his defence in reserve grade. It wasn't necessarily his technique I just think he looked a bit clueless.
State Cup was woeful yesterday ..I'm all for giving a guys a chance but not for the sake of it just being someone different..these blokes need to be knocking down the door to be picked.. not one put their hand up.. T'oa was solid but that's it.
It's Brooks 8th season if you don't count that 1 game as a whole season.. he has his issues sure but is a far superior NRL player than Jock Madden at this present time..if Gildardt needs time to work on defence in reserve grade then Madden certainly does ..a no name Mounties team ran through him for 2 TRIES yesterday..he also provided zero direction for the team bar 1 good kick..he may well develop into a good 1st grader but as we have seen it's difficult to do that in 1st grade..these guys have played very little footy in the past 2 years
We may not agree but to me you pick your best players week in week out baring injury in an attempt to build match combinations to win games.. changing for the sake of changing is not an optimal direction as far as I'm concerned..
Wasn't he starting halfback from 2014 onwards? (so this is his 9th season). Don't get me wrong Geo, i'm not a big fan of Madden, but how much longer do we persist with something that just isn't working? It hasn't worked for years and I think it's crazy to repeat the same thing over and over again and expect different results.
Defence is far more important for a centre, especially when edge defence is something that has been a worry for us for years. As I said, it wasn't the effort or the technique, he just didn't seem to know what he was doing. He has a fair bit to add in attack, but he is not ready for NRL imo.
As long as no one over reacts..
if you're referring to my comments about Brooks it's his 9th season. He's not getting any better.
As for Gildart, I haven't written him off at all, but I think he needs some time to work on his defence in reserve grade. It wasn't necessarily his technique I just think he looked a bit clueless.
State Cup was woeful yesterday ..I'm all for giving a guys a chance but not for the sake of it just being someone different..these blokes need to be knocking down the door to be picked.. not one put their hand up.. T'oa was solid but that's it.
It's Brooks 8th season if you don't count that 1 game as a whole season.. he has his issues sure but is a far superior NRL player than Jock Madden at this present time..if Gildardt needs time to work on defence in reserve grade then Madden certainly does ..a no name Mounties team ran through him for 2 TRIES yesterday..he also provided zero direction for the team bar 1 good kick..he may well develop into a good 1st grader but as we have seen it's difficult to do that in 1st grade..these guys have played very little footy in the past 2 years
We may not agree but to me you pick your best players week in week out baring injury in an attempt to build match combinations to win games.. changing for the sake of changing is not an optimal direction as far as I'm concerned..
Wasn't he starting halfback from 2014 onwards? (so this is his 9th season). Don't get me wrong Geo, i'm not a big fan of Madden, but how much longer do we persist with something that just isn't working? It hasn't worked for years and I think it's crazy to repeat the same thing over and over again and expect different results.
Defence is far more important for a centre, especially when edge defence is something that has been a worry for us for years. As I said, it wasn't the effort or the technique, he just didn't seem to know what he was doing. He has a fair bit to add in attack, but he is not ready for NRL imo.
Defence is all about structure combinations and confidence.. an interesting stat from the weekend was Brooks was forced to make more tackles (29) than any other half in the comp..basically double that of Hughes..constantly changing players on the edge for years has been the major part of the problem..having to switch out backrowers centres and wingers from one side to the other has exacerbated the issue..
We would be the only team in the comp that has to hide backrowers in defence.. It's up to Madge and Cayless to rectify this.. this is a new year you persist with it as a new year forget the past..chopping and changing has never worked like ever.. so at least persist with it to try and build some worthwhile change if it doesn't work and we are still in this position by mid year with no chance of making the finals sure make all the changes you want..
For now after 1 Round for mine is not the time to do it..
Tuki Simpkins in for Seyfarth.
We need players with a point of difference and Tuki makes an offload pretty much every carry.
As long as no one over reacts..
if you're referring to my comments about Brooks it's his 9th season. He's not getting any better.
As for Gildart, I haven't written him off at all, but I think he needs some time to work on his defence in reserve grade. It wasn't necessarily his technique I just think he looked a bit clueless.
State Cup was woeful yesterday ..I'm all for giving a guys a chance but not for the sake of it just being someone different..these blokes need to be knocking down the door to be picked.. not one put their hand up.. T'oa was solid but that's it.
It's Brooks 8th season if you don't count that 1 game as a whole season.. he has his issues sure but is a far superior NRL player than Jock Madden at this present time..if Gildardt needs time to work on defence in reserve grade then Madden certainly does ..a no name Mounties team ran through him for 2 TRIES yesterday..he also provided zero direction for the team bar 1 good kick..he may well develop into a good 1st grader but as we have seen it's difficult to do that in 1st grade..these guys have played very little footy in the past 2 years
We may not agree but to me you pick your best players week in week out baring injury in an attempt to build match combinations to win games.. changing for the sake of changing is not an optimal direction as far as I'm concerned..
Wasn't he starting halfback from 2014 onwards? (so this is his 9th season). Don't get me wrong Geo, i'm not a big fan of Madden, but how much longer do we persist with something that just isn't working? It hasn't worked for years and I think it's crazy to repeat the same thing over and over again and expect different results.
Defence is far more important for a centre, especially when edge defence is something that has been a worry for us for years. As I said, it wasn't the effort or the technique, he just didn't seem to know what he was doing. He has a fair bit to add in attack, but he is not ready for NRL imo.
Defence is all about structure combinations and confidence.. an interesting stat from the weekend was Brooks was forced to make more tackles (29) than any other half in the comp..basically double that of Hughes..constantly changing players on the edge for years has been the major part of the problem..having to switch out backrowers centres and wingers from one side to the other has exacerbated the issue..
We would be the only team in the comp that has to hide backrowers in defence.. It's up to Madge and Cayless to rectify this.. this is a new year you persist with it as a new year forget the past..chopping and changing has never worked like ever.. so at least persist with it to try and build some worthwhile change if it doesn't work and we are still in this position by mid year with no chance of making the finals sure make all the changes you want..
For now after 1 Round for mine is not the time to do it..
I wouldn't have had him in the team to start the year so it's not so much about chopping and changing. After we retained Madge I would have let him go to Newcastle. I've said for ages I don't think Brooks and Madge can ever work successfully together and I've seen nothing that will change that view. In saying that, do I think Brooks would do better if he had a decent coach? Absolutely.
As long as no one over reacts..
if you're referring to my comments about Brooks it's his 9th season. He's not getting any better.
As for Gildart, I haven't written him off at all, but I think he needs some time to work on his defence in reserve grade. It wasn't necessarily his technique I just think he looked a bit clueless.
State Cup was woeful yesterday ..I'm all for giving a guys a chance but not for the sake of it just being someone different..these blokes need to be knocking down the door to be picked.. not one put their hand up.. T'oa was solid but that's it.
It's Brooks 8th season if you don't count that 1 game as a whole season.. he has his issues sure but is a far superior NRL player than Jock Madden at this present time..if Gildardt needs time to work on defence in reserve grade then Madden certainly does ..a no name Mounties team ran through him for 2 TRIES yesterday..he also provided zero direction for the team bar 1 good kick..he may well develop into a good 1st grader but as we have seen it's difficult to do that in 1st grade..these guys have played very little footy in the past 2 years
We may not agree but to me you pick your best players week in week out baring injury in an attempt to build match combinations to win games.. changing for the sake of changing is not an optimal direction as far as I'm concerned..
Wasn't he starting halfback from 2014 onwards? (so this is his 9th season). Don't get me wrong Geo, i'm not a big fan of Madden, but how much longer do we persist with something that just isn't working? It hasn't worked for years and I think it's crazy to repeat the same thing over and over again and expect different results.
Defence is far more important for a centre, especially when edge defence is something that has been a worry for us for years. As I said, it wasn't the effort or the technique, he just didn't seem to know what he was doing. He has a fair bit to add in attack, but he is not ready for NRL imo.
Defence is all about structure combinations and confidence.. an interesting stat from the weekend was Brooks was forced to make more tackles (29) than any other half in the comp..basically double that of Hughes..constantly changing players on the edge for years has been the major part of the problem..having to switch out backrowers centres and wingers from one side to the other has exacerbated the issue..
We would be the only team in the comp that has to hide backrowers in defence.. It's up to Madge and Cayless to rectify this.. this is a new year you persist with it as a new year forget the past..chopping and changing has never worked like ever.. so at least persist with it to try and build some worthwhile change if it doesn't work and we are still in this position by mid year with no chance of making the finals sure make all the changes you want..
For now after 1 Round for mine is not the time to do it..
I wouldn't have had him in the team to start the year so it's not so much about chopping and changing. After we retained Madge I would have let him go to Newcastle. I've said for ages I don't think Brooks and Madge can ever work successfully together and I've seen nothing that will change that view. In saying that, do I think Brooks would do better if he had a decent coach? Absolutely.
He played his best football under Cleary.
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As long as no one over reacts..
if you're referring to my comments about Brooks it's his 9th season. He's not getting any better.
As for Gildart, I haven't written him off at all, but I think he needs some time to work on his defence in reserve grade. It wasn't necessarily his technique I just think he looked a bit clueless.
State Cup was woeful yesterday ..I'm all for giving a guys a chance but not for the sake of it just being someone different..these blokes need to be knocking down the door to be picked.. not one put their hand up.. T'oa was solid but that's it.
It's Brooks 8th season if you don't count that 1 game as a whole season.. he has his issues sure but is a far superior NRL player than Jock Madden at this present time..if Gildardt needs time to work on defence in reserve grade then Madden certainly does ..a no name Mounties team ran through him for 2 TRIES yesterday..he also provided zero direction for the team bar 1 good kick..he may well develop into a good 1st grader but as we have seen it's difficult to do that in 1st grade..these guys have played very little footy in the past 2 years
We may not agree but to me you pick your best players week in week out baring injury in an attempt to build match combinations to win games.. changing for the sake of changing is not an optimal direction as far as I'm concerned..
Wasn't he starting halfback from 2014 onwards? (so this is his 9th season). Don't get me wrong Geo, i'm not a big fan of Madden, but how much longer do we persist with something that just isn't working? It hasn't worked for years and I think it's crazy to repeat the same thing over and over again and expect different results.
Defence is far more important for a centre, especially when edge defence is something that has been a worry for us for years. As I said, it wasn't the effort or the technique, he just didn't seem to know what he was doing. He has a fair bit to add in attack, but he is not ready for NRL imo.
Defence is all about structure combinations and confidence.. an interesting stat from the weekend was Brooks was forced to make more tackles (29) than any other half in the comp..basically double that of Hughes..constantly changing players on the edge for years has been the major part of the problem..having to switch out backrowers centres and wingers from one side to the other has exacerbated the issue..
We would be the only team in the comp that has to hide backrowers in defence.. It's up to Madge and Cayless to rectify this.. this is a new year you persist with it as a new year forget the past..chopping and changing has never worked like ever.. so at least persist with it to try and build some worthwhile change if it doesn't work and we are still in this position by mid year with no chance of making the finals sure make all the changes you want..
For now after 1 Round for mine is not the time to do it..
I wouldn't have had him in the team to start the year so it's not so much about chopping and changing. After we retained Madge I would have let him go to Newcastle. I've said for ages I don't think Brooks and Madge can ever work successfully together and I've seen nothing that will change that view. In saying that, do I think Brooks would do better if he had a decent coach? Absolutely.
He played his best football under Cleary.
Also Potter the divide between Brooks and Maguire is evident … he should of asked for a release it would of been the best move for his career IMO .
As long as no one over reacts..
if you're referring to my comments about Brooks it's his 9th season. He's not getting any better.
As for Gildart, I haven't written him off at all, but I think he needs some time to work on his defence in reserve grade. It wasn't necessarily his technique I just think he looked a bit clueless.
State Cup was woeful yesterday ..I'm all for giving a guys a chance but not for the sake of it just being someone different..these blokes need to be knocking down the door to be picked.. not one put their hand up.. T'oa was solid but that's it.
It's Brooks 8th season if you don't count that 1 game as a whole season.. he has his issues sure but is a far superior NRL player than Jock Madden at this present time..if Gildardt needs time to work on defence in reserve grade then Madden certainly does ..a no name Mounties team ran through him for 2 TRIES yesterday..he also provided zero direction for the team bar 1 good kick..he may well develop into a good 1st grader but as we have seen it's difficult to do that in 1st grade..these guys have played very little footy in the past 2 years
We may not agree but to me you pick your best players week in week out baring injury in an attempt to build match combinations to win games.. changing for the sake of changing is not an optimal direction as far as I'm concerned..
IMO this is the systemic issue that the club has with its players .. on the weekend as reported players were not motivated or particular interested in reserve grade.
My question is why ! What’s the issue or problems the players have in not turning up primed and ready , they are after all supposedly progressional players that in theory want to proceed to the next level …Is it the club that has this mediocre issue?
Seyfarth is so overrated by some sections of WT's fans .....
Seyfarth is so overrated by some sections of WT's fans .....
Agreed, he’s had some ok moments but a lot of the time he looks pretty average.
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