@tiger5150 no disagree entirely mate in all due respect . Whilst that may have been the plan , the SL war laid a base and and trial by fire , on what would eventually shape the way we view . That’s what I’m saying .
Of course Murdoch had the plan but the execution of it , all started with SL . I mean even the way it shaped rugby internationally . The fact it was a driving force for the speeding up of that game moving into professionalism , and that super rugby was just a by product of their inability to get RL at the time frame they wanted is insane to me .
We can always disagree with respect as I do again here.
Murdoch had already establish BILLIONS of dollars of technology infrastructure worldwide and recently at the time Australia setting up Foxtel prior to SL. You have to remember that Australia is a miniscule percentage of Murdochs revenue and he was establishing his technology empire worldwide. My point is nothing started with SL, it was always underway and he just needed the critical content and RL was the most effective and vulnerable. The point you make about Super Rugby is accurate, but you are missing the point that RL was no different, it was all just content for his network empire. Something to make people buy the conduit and something to shove through it.
I agree with you 100% that SL shaped RL internationally and domestically and it sped up the transition into professionalism. The SL war certainly did that, but it had nothing to do with changing the way sport was consumed or nothing to do with News Ltd modes of business. It is the other way around. The changing technology and News business plans drove SL.
Another day has passed and no announcement Re the future of M. Moses. That tells me the fight isn’t over yet.
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@tiger5150 I think your missing what I’m saying mate . I’m saying that due to the commercialisation of RL through super league it was used as a blueprint for many other sports/ content providers like sky sports , and other internationally on how to shape their sports for maximum eyeballs . Until then it was just an American concept for American people .
It literally shaped AFL , rugby ,even football domestically . To limit it to just RL is not true .
It was also an early shaping of media wars and spin from media outlet, now at its worst through fox and cnn.
Anyways it doesn’t really matter all that much , the point is that a sport that had south’s play parts in front of 3500 then norths play Balmain in front of 4700 , was a crucial component of how sports are consumed now both domestically and abroad . To play the chicken and the egg debate is kind of pointless. Like you said it’s totally because of the tribalism and a huge content vacuum that RL was seen as ripe for the picking , but like I said through this war , it accelerated the professional era in many sports internationally . Because of the mistakes and learnings they took from it . Both for the good and bad of sports forever .
This is what I’m trying to say . The sport should have eaten itself at some point in the mid 20th century at the latest , yet was so desired at the point of SL , that it lead to the war , as well as things like international rugby going professional. To me that’s crazy.
Like old timers talk about the game in the 70s and 80s and honestly , whilst I love it , it was a very niche sport , in the grand scheme of things .
@tiger5150 I think your missing what I’m saying mate . I’m saying that due to the commercialisation of RL through super league it was used as a blueprint for many other sports/ content providers like sky sports , and other internationally on how to shape their sports for maximum eyeballs . Until then it was just an American concept for American people .
It literally shaped AFL , rugby ,even football domestically . To limit it to just RL is not true .
It was also an early shaping of media wars and spin from media outlet, now at its worst through fox and cnn.
Anyways it doesn’t really matter all that much , the point is that a sport that had south’s play parts in front of 3500 then norths play Balmain in front of 4700 , was a crucial component of how sports are consumed now both domestically and abroad . To play the chicken and the egg debate is kind of pointless. Like you said it’s totally because of the tribalism and a huge content vacuum that RL was seen as ripe for the picking , but like I said through this war , it accelerated the professional era in many sports internationally . Because of the mistakes and learnings they took from it . Both for the good and bad of sports forever .This is what I’m trying to say . The sport should have eaten itself at some point in the mid 20th century at the latest , yet was so desired at the point of SL , that it lead to the war , as well as things like international rugby going professional. To me that’s crazy.
Like old timers talk about the game in the 70s and 80s and honestly , whilst I love it , it was a very niche sport , in the grand scheme of things .
I agree with bits of what you are saying but in the whole I think you are WAY overstating the role of RL. In the US (90% of Murdoch revenue) they had already had massive upheaval of sports administration and broadcasting and the reason that the NFL has two conferences is not that different to our SL. I dont think that any sports outside of Aus/NZ where influenced by the SL war.
I agree with you 110% (that little extra to drive some crazy here) that RL needed to change/grow/become more professional and change from Souffs v Norths in front of 4K. I also agree that in the end the SL war pushed this forward, but again you have the chicken and egg around the wrong way. The ARL was in the process of modernising and making the game more professional when News Ltd pounced. In 1994 I was in a meeting of Balmain Tigers members that was addressed by Ken Arthurson, in which he made it very clear that the ARL had set a set of criteria that EVERY club had to meet (in total, not best survive) in order to continue in the ARL. These criteria included a minimum turnover (I think $3M), minimum average crowd of 10K, minimum junior clubs, minimum corporate facilities and a few more. These criteria were actually more stringent than the criteria used to sort out clubs for the NRL 5 years later and they were non negotiable in that you had to pass them all. This is the reason that Balmain changed to Sydney Tigers, moved to Parra Stadium etc. ti was happening anyway and would have happened without SL although I do think SL forced a bigger chunk of the total revenue to the players. No doubt the final upheaval by SL changed things again and probably expedited some things.
In short, News had already been through this process in the US, Australia was a naive market, just rolling out PayTV with RL in a vulnerable position.
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Me too, listened to basically every episode. I am acquainted with Michael Adams because he was in the year below me at school.
I don't get the argument - that because fans can't influence the board - there's no point discussing it.
We can't influence team selection, recruitment, coaching staff, game plans either.
If we only can discuss things about the club that fans can influence, it would be pretty boring on the forum and podcast.
I'd argue a lot of the recent changes the club are making, have been a result of fans expressing their views to the club. Even though we have no direct mechanism for input in decision making
I think the point was more that there's no point discussing replacing or over-turning the board, because that's not viable. Certainly we can discuss the board's decisions and who they are.
But it's more about ranting to dump board members when that just isn't possible.
I don't get the argument - that because fans can't influence the board - there's no point discussing it.
We can't influence team selection, recruitment, coaching staff, game plans either.
If we only can discuss things about the club that fans can influence, it would be pretty boring on the forum and podcast.
I'd argue a lot of the recent changes the club are making, have been a result of fans expressing their views to the club. Even though we have no direct mechanism for input in decision making
I think the point was more that there's no point discussing replacing or over-turning the board, because that's not viable. Certainly we can discuss the board's decisions and who they are.
But it's more about ranting to dump board members when that just isn't possible.
Correct ✅
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https://twitter.com/nbwt__/status/1610929490376687619?s=61&t=aiCPluV9c6Wb0PO5GlkbGQ
Love the way the Tigers have given a subtle up yours to the media, by controlling the filming of the interview and what ever was shown of the player’s training. Obviously sick of the NRL media like the fans.
At the start of the clip, is that benji providing an inside ball to paps off a goose step run? Looks sharp! I think we found our plan b if Moses falls through…
Also I’m getting very strong vibes that Staines starts the year at fullback with Laurie in the halves and AD in the centres. Sheens has consistently hinted at Laurie’s versatility in every interview he does. I think it’s Staines to lose during the trials.
https://twitter.com/nbwt__/status/1610929490376687619?s=61&t=aiCPluV9c6Wb0PO5GlkbGQ
Love the way the Tigers have given a subtle up yours to the media, by controlling the filming of the interview and what ever was shown of the player’s training. Obviously sick of the NRL media like the fans.
At the start of the clip, is that benji providing an inside ball to paps off a goose step run? Looks sharp! I think we found our plan b if Moses falls through…
Also I’m getting very strong vibes that Staines starts the year at fullback with Laurie in the halves and AD in the centres. Sheens has consistently hinted at Laurie’s versatility in every interview he does. I think it’s Staines to lose during the trials.
I think you’re on the money about Laurie, he’ll start the year either at 6 or 14 imo.
Wests Tigers Podcast - Talking everything Wests Tigers!
https://twitter.com/nbwt__/status/1610929490376687619?s=61&t=aiCPluV9c6Wb0PO5GlkbGQ
Love the way the Tigers have given a subtle up yours to the media, by controlling the filming of the interview and what ever was shown of the player’s training. Obviously sick of the NRL media like the fans.
At the start of the clip, is that benji providing an inside ball to paps off a goose step run? Looks sharp! I think we found our plan b if Moses falls through…
Also I’m getting very strong vibes that Staines starts the year at fullback with Laurie in the halves and AD in the centres. Sheens has consistently hinted at Laurie’s versatility in every interview he does. I think it’s Staines to lose during the trials.
I think you’re on the money about Laurie, he’ll start the year either at 6 or 14 imo.
I respectfully disagree. I reckon Laurie starts at 1 and Staines starts on a wing. But perhaps a conversation being had saying that the number 1 is Laurie's to lose. There is a few options in a spine reshuffle and I reckon it all depends on who is/isn't performing.
Geez I am dying for the season to start...even if it means winter down here.
@canberratiger I think that’s what everyone is expecting but it would be very Tim Sheens to go unorthodox and shuffle Laurie around.
ps I am an-ex Canberran now safely living in Brisbane so I support your call for an early winter.
@frullens I think the changes are more due to the club understanding that what they’ve been doing the past 10 years hasn’t worked and seeing now how Penrith have become a powerhouse club. It’s more Penrith’s rise, their continued rise and their development of juniors, that has influenced the club’s decision to make the changes they have. The fact they wanted Ciraldo proves that. I’m not sure how many fans influenced any of those decisions, I’d think none.
@skippa13 I think Staines starts at 1 as well with Laurie at 6. Sheens will keep us guessing for the next month until the trials and then change it up for round 1.
I’m hoping your Benji comments were tongue in cheek.
@jirskyr but I wasn’t ranting . More lamenting how the obvious easy win , will never be taken . Well not until the board members die if we are honest . And let’s be honest many have come from running 2 failed clubs and brought those failures to the new one . I think the constitution needs to change but that won’t happen , until new members are promoted with fresh ideas , and an axe to grind .
I think now , with how the club has distanced the football department will lead to more accountable decisions being made , as those responsible for the bad decisions , will actually have to look over their shoulders , and the board can’t put pressure for dumb decisions to be made eg. not signing willie mason after we had agreed to terms .that was extremely dumb as he would have been a godsend to a weakened forward pack at the time.
In the end , I think everyone doesn’t want yesterdays 15 minute rock star , putting pressure on the club to sign X player because he’s his best mates grandson . And I think both within the board, and the club itself , for the longest time that was an issue . Or even worse , 2 juniors one from wests the other from Balmain vying for the same position and everyone on the board is putting pressure because of dinosaur loyalties , not actually wanting he best player signed . Or coach , or physio , or development staff etc.
If those types of things can go the way of the dodo , then I think this hole topic will go with it . But that can’t happen if guys sitting there are 72 year olds being nostalgic about the days of lidcombe oval or when Mario fenech did X at Leichhardt oval , or they were there when Steve rodgers did X against blocker etc etc . Neither of those clubs exist , and haven’t since I was 16.
