@jirskyr so do you think this is good thing mate ?
If there’s an avenue for change or at least justification of the boards position and title every period (say 2 years) then that has to be the avenue we should all pursue .
I have zero idea if Lee is the root of all our problems , I would hazard to guess that’s baloney , but rather suggest he is incapable of minimising it .
The thing is , is a 60-80 year old white male from inner city , really the only perspective we can draw from . And yea I know there’s a woman on the board .
Surely there’s some people in the other 60 odd years of life experience not represented on the board who could offer something.
In fact , just looking around at the way society is , and the fact that most boomers are completely at odds with the general ebbs and flows of where society is going , and as a microcosm of this , the business of football , that I would suggest that they are completely I’ll suited to their positions.
Seriously to those reading this just think about . If your of an age and you have uttered something like “I would just tell him to suck it up , and shut up and do what your told” in reference to anything regarding football , or a variation of it , are you really suited to machinations of 2023 nrl life .Now what if the board think like this . What if 1 person on the board thinks like this . Or “back in my day “ . What if they think like this around business strategies , and governance strategies?
And then when you look at polls and graphs around 55-80 year olds around ideology, the sheer maths says that , not only does 1 of the board think like this , but most probably a fair chunk of the board . Unless our board is somehow living in a vacuum inside of reality , then the latter comment is probably the most likely truth .
It’s to this thought alone that the winds of change have to come .
Im not saying bring in Benny and Robbie , but I am saying , there’s a lot of people on here , and other forums , who bring a wealth of knowledge and fresh perspective , who could offer as much , if not more than 80s pop stars and former real estate agents .
Seriously ….
Very wise comments and questions. I think, based on some limited interactions with different people in high positions, that there are well-meaning people in place who may not be very well connected with the reality of the situation. A couple of them, and I don’t mean to pick on them, have been entrenched on the Magpies and Balmain sides for 40 years and have (aside from glimpses with WT) no concept at all on what a successful football club looks and feels like. Naturally, I’m talking Leslie Glenn, Danny Stapleton, Dennis Burgess, Rick Wayde and Tony Andreachio.
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I honestly thought the Wests Magpies made the Board structures pretty clear, but that clarity shows that Holman Barnes controls Wests Football Club (voting majority) and ensures their preferred appointee goes onto the Wests Tigers Board.
yep exactly right. at the end of the day, the owner has the say. As much as Cavanagh and other people bemoan the "old days and old ways" when discussing governance, it goes both ways because WT is no long a "Football Club" its a privately owned company and the owner runs it. Whilst we as fans can bitch and moan about the way it is run, we dont get a say, its a simple fact.
That is why IMO the petition is very well targeted and the best we can hope for is for the owners to initiate an external review to hopefully inform changes to the structure or board.
The thing is , is a 60-80 year old white male from inner city , really the only perspective we can draw from . And yea I know there’s a woman on the board .
Why would gender or skin colour be relevant when determining the best people to run the organisation? I want the BEST people on the board whether they are male or female, black, white or brindle.
@tiger5150 it’s not that it determines it . It’s that , if everyone is from the same place runs in the same circles , thinks the same , comes from the same background , how can you get any real diversity in ideas.
Especially when hypothetically, you might a highly intelligent female Māori/ Lebanese background lawyer from Campbelltown . There’s absolutely no way that person wouldn’t have a completely different perspective than the board .
That’s an extremely diverse person , but it just proves my point .
@tiger5150 it’s not that it determines it . It’s that , if everyone is from the same place runs in the same circles , thinks the same , comes from the same background , how can you get any real diversity in ideas.
Especially when hypothetically, you might a highly intelligent female Māori/ Lebanese background lawyer from Campbelltown . There’s absolutely no way that person wouldn’t have a completely different perspective than the board .
That’s an extremely diverse person , but it just proves my point .
If that highly intelligent maori/lebanese lawyer from Campbelltown has advanced skills in running a business or a rugby league club and is one of the 8 highest credentialed people to do that, I want her on the board. Nothing about being female, maori or lebanese contributes to that (or excludes her from that) and would be a coincidence.
You could probably find a bunch of store window mannequins that would be more effective than what we currently have 😂
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@jirskyr so do you think this is good thing mate ?
No I don't think it's ideal.
History has shown that if the Board is too democratic (like Parra or Dogs) then there is a tendency towards factions and in-fighting, because as well-meaning as most people are, they can also be petty, closed-minded and mercurial.
Having no democracy at all just leads to cronyism and becoming stale.
There could conceivably be a mechanism installed to allow people to be voted in, which would also at least give fans and members the feeling that they had some sort of say or representation.
Even better, there could or should be time limits for how long Board members can serve, so we don't have the same people there all the time, doing the same old things every time.
Even better, there could or should be time limits for how long Board members can serve, so we don't have the same people there all the time, doing the same old things every time.
Fixed terms 4 years for Board members. Max of two terms only, in a Board members lifetime. Half the Board changes at then end of each term. Ensures there is always fresh ideas entering the boardroom.
@tiger5150 man ? I’m specifically talking about a group of old white guys who’ve been on the board for as long as 12 years , with very little obvious reasons as to why , needing to be swapped out .
What are talking about ?
It sure does read like your on some equity and diversity tangent .
I want smart people , who weren’t born in the 50s and 60s within in a 10km radius. Call me crazy …..
@helmesy I'm really surprised the Cavanagh statement hasn't made it's way to the papers? News Ltd want any content they can drum up that is WT-related.
I really hope the outcome of the petition / the meetings you have scheduled / pressure being applied is that the Holman Barnes group at least explain the most recent board appointments. I'm happy to stand corrected but I'd have thought ASIC won't rush to get involved. The allegation relates to a private company and there is little public interest.
@tiger5150 man ? I’m specifically talking about a group of old white guys who’ve been on the board for as long as 12 years , with very little obvious reasons as to why , needing to be swapped out .
I agree with you that the fact that they are old and have been there for 12 years during failure as being relevant. The fact that they are guys or white is irrelevant IMO.
It sure does read like your on some equity and diversity tangent .
Quite the opposite. My point is that ability and suitability should be the priority.
I want smart people , who weren’t born in the 50s and 60s within in a 10km radius. Call me crazy …..
Agree with you 100%, we might both be crazy.
Counts me out on all three criteriaI want smart people , who weren’t born in the 50s and 60s within in a 10km radius. Call me crazy …..
@tiger5150 because a bunch of old white dudes from the inner city , especially that generation , having a debate , are all but guaranteed to have the biggest echo chamber known to man! It’s just a fact of life . And I’m sorry to everyone reading this who thinks I’m having a go . I’m not … well not in this thread .
Im just saying that that particular demographic is the only one currently represented on the board ..with 1 older lady , as well .
The reason I brought up the imaginary Māori/ Lebanese woman , was I was trying to think of the most furthest afield of what our current board is . And how that person just by their very existence would have a completely different perspective to bring . It wasn’t about racial stereotypes , it was just that I think our board is in an echo chamber . That was all totally just hypotheticals to clarify my point .
My gut guess is that there are a couple of active board members (the chairman, Stapleton, maybe another) and a bunch of rubber stamps.
My gut guess is that there are a couple of active board members (the chairman, Stapleton, maybe another) and a bunch of rubber stamps.
I think you’re completely right, and I think because of this Lee and Pascoe can manipulate them.
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