I thought it was bad manners to wear a hat indoors? Or classless. Or clueless. In Chairman Mouth we have the trifecta.
Reminds me of some rich Texan that has purchased a pro team in the US and always appears in his big cowboy hat.
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I think where the current admin really struggles is in two areas - controlling a narrative and negotiating with people.
The club admin seems to desperately need a media manager with clout that can discipline those in Concord to sing from the same hymn sheet. This person also needs to build real relationships with media and fan based media/platforms to ensure Wests Tigers gets some level of protection (for example, the club has never made contact with me despite being the main person behind the WTP and have a background in the media ie someone who knows how the game is played).
I think there must also be some truth in the allegation that we just plain suck in selling ourselves and the message to players too.
The worst part is that because we have manoeuvred ourselves into this mess we now have no leverage in discussions with anyone.
And yet, as things stand, the people who set these standards and driven us down this one way street are all in the same positions.
agree with all this totally.
Can I add that I think the club needs an operations manager who sits under the CEO whose main job is quality assurance across the organisation. Someone v with an eye for detail and is not worried about being unpopular as they ensure everything is done to a higher standard without error
I thought it was bad manners to wear a hat indoors? Or classless. Or clueless. In Chairman Mouth we have the trifecta.
Reminded me of Larry David’s opinion of people who wear sunglasses inside from Curb Your Enthusiasm.
@tigersteve attention to detail is the main thing we are missing. I often feel the club starts out well with projects/direction/initiatives but once it comes to the final execution they rush to get it done like a high schoolers school project.
@tigersteve attention to detail is the main thing we are missing. I often feel the club starts out well with projects/direction/initiatives but once it comes to the final execution they rush to get it done like a high schoolers school project.
We all talk about culture. This is an example of it. There is absolutely a culture of ‘near enough is good enough.’ And it’s everywhere. Membership stuff ups, errors in social media communications, inability to defend 5th tackle kicks for years! It’s everywhere!!
@tigersteve attention to detail is the main thing we are missing. I often feel the club starts out well with projects/direction/initiatives but once it comes to the final execution they rush to get it done like a high schoolers school project.
We all talk about culture. This is an example of it. There is absolutely a culture of ‘near enough is good enough.’ And it’s everywhere. Membership stuff ups, errors in social media communications, inability to defend 5th tackle kicks for years! It’s everywhere!!
My gut feeling is that there are both too many chiefs and too many Indians as well.
It seems that no one is across everything (like as Steve mentioned) and people like Pascoe are pulled in too many directions (off talking to Holbrook but also on top of finance department, marketing, sponsorship, media etc etc).
Someone has to bring it all together and drive each department to greater standards.
I would love to spend a few weeks in at Concord to get a real feel for the culture and the people.
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I thought it was bad manners to wear a hat indoors? Or classless. Or clueless. In Chairman Mouth we have the trifecta.
Reminded me of Larry David’s opinion of people who wear sunglasses inside from Curb Your Enthusiasm.
Pretty, pretty, pretty good.
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I think where the current admin really struggles is in two areas - controlling a narrative and negotiating with people.
The club admin seems to desperately need a media manager with clout that can discipline those in Concord to sing from the same hymn sheet. This person also needs to build real relationships with media and fan based media/platforms to ensure Wests Tigers gets some level of protection (for example, the club has never made contact with me despite being the main person behind the WTP and have a background in the media ie someone who knows how the game is played).
I think there must also be some truth in the allegation that we just plain suck in selling ourselves and the message to players too.
The worst part is that because we have manoeuvred ourselves into this mess we now have no leverage in discussions with anyone.
And yet, as things stand, the people who set these standards and driven us down this one way street are all in the same positions.
The club is unable to sell a vision to fans, there is no reason why that would be any different with players.
In memory of Geoff Chisholm (1965-2022)
You can see in our social media that we are just not a fun team to interact with and support. Other teams have great content that looks great on instagram etc, highlights, fun stuff with the players. In summary, they look “cool” to kids. We do the absolute minimum, barely even updating the scores in the game let alone comment on what is happen. Then at the end of the game we get a post of the score and “not the result we were looking for”. I don’t know whether it’s a conscious effort not to engage because of the toxic response they get or just incompetence but it just comes across as amateur and not fun. This is meant to be fun!
I could be wrong with much of this, but this is how I’m seeing things…
It came across to me as though Lee was trying to distance himself from the Board, when in fact he represents the Board, and being Chairman is the most influential. In my mind I think it most likely Lee was the main arbiter of the Fulton appointment. It was Lee who discussed the details with the likes of Hadley. Hadley knew exactly which strings to pull to get a hastily desired outcome for Fulton, and Lee and Pascoe would have presented the Fulton case to the Board, all done and dusted in a week.
Did Lee and Pascoe’s due diligence question why the Fulton sphere of influence has been pushed out of Manly?
It looks to me as though this Fulton sphere of influence (which includes media and player managers) is seeking to infiltrate the clubs corridors of power at Concord. Sheens undoing is being out of the NRL for 10 years and therefor may not have been fully across of how the game has become so influenced by the power of player managers and the manoeuvres they’ll make to best serve their interests, wanting their man Fulton as head of recruitment, even at the expense of Marshall and Sheens whose integrity has been attacked by Zorba and Hadley. Basically the club’s been circled by a pack of player managers seeking to reap the benefits of its 13 million salary cap.
The Wests Tigers Board/Chairman/CEO to me are in a position of weakness. This weakness is an absence of Rugby League IQ and broader knowledge of the powers of influence in the game, after 12 seasons of non-finals they just don’t have enough knowhow to take the club to the next level and protect the clubs interests - they’ve achieved some good things, but they are floundering with other critical decision-making and implementing a longterm strategic plan.
Bob Fulton was a ruthless operator, he knew what he wanted and he got it, and it brought about success. Scott’s been schooled on it all and is cut from the same cloth. Sheens influence has waned with the mounting losses. The future is Benji and Fulton, or at least one of them. Benji is a popular personality, but hasn’t the skin in the coaching game to protect and project himself enough, he’s still an unknown silent novice apprentice being fast tracked to head-coach. With Fulton now firmly in the house, he, like his father will eventually get his way, he’s already got his minders to bare their teeth, the Fulton Wolfpack has circled the club, and they are digging in to protect their man.
If Lee and Pascoe had consulted Benji and Sheens on Fulton then they probably would have understandably taken a guarded approach and would have wanted to investigate and assess before appointing - that would have been due diligence! Hadley knew this acted swiftly to negate it. Lee and Pascoe have obviously hitched their wagon to Fulton, and like it or not SO is Benji’s future at Wests Tigers. Maybe it’s best that Benji comes to terms with that. What’s done is done, the strategic plan (if there ever really was one) has changed, and will likely change again and again. Perhaps it's time for Benji to invite Scott into the coaches box.
Great points raised here by @Helmesy, @TheLastRonin, @TigerSteve & @Garry and I agree with all of them, but I also think that to a large extent these issues are symptomatic of a bigger higher level problem that for want of a better word I'll call INTEGRITY. By this I mean walking our walk. Doing what we say we are going to do.
The role of a board and by extension the CEO is to formulate a plan for the organisation, gather and produce the resources necessary to execute that plan and then execute the plan. In the last 10years there has been no evidence of the board/CEO having an actual plan as shown by our performances on and off the field, but more tellingly in our junior development. Last year they finally did scrape together a plan (IMO mostly Sheens) and they started down that road and failed very early in the execution.
The reason that the club cant sell its vision to prospective players for recruiting is not a personnel issue, it wont be fixed by getting a better "recruitment guy". The reason the club cant sell itself to players and managers is because they cant walk their walk. They cant say to a player "We have this plan to get back to the top with you" because they have shown time after time that it is just words and means nothing. They cant formulate a plan, they cant stick to a plan. They have no integrity with player managers, media or fans and this has been earned and is not repairable.
@tigertownsfs to be fair to this I would argue the opposite . For the elite . Sure you’re right . Lot of the time they are elite , because they are in the best systems . Many aren’t the most pure talents , but have their talents accentuated by the systems they’re in . When they come here , it all becomes too hard .
Bur what I would argue is that with the medium tier to low tier . This 💯 the opposite . Many come here , have a rocket put into their career , because they get the “geez I didn’t know he was that good treatment “ .
case in point to this are Matterson , Aloai , who actually got a fat check because of his play here , and only turns up twice a year now in a manly jersey .
Id say Thompson got this run when he left.
Aaron woods is the big one . He didn’t nothing after he left us .
I think the club can elevate your career if you are a rookie/ opportunity type player .
Bur if you’re elite , and the hopes and dreams of a club are put on your shoulder , then , yea , you’re probably on a hiding to nothing .
I could be wrong with much of this, but this is how I’m seeing things…
It came across to me as though Lee was trying to distance himself from the Board, when in fact he represents the Board, and being Chairman is the most influential. In my mind I think it most likely Lee was the main arbiter of the Fulton appointment. It was Lee who discussed the details with the likes of Hadley. Hadley knew exactly which strings to pull to get a hastily desired outcome for Fulton, and Lee and Pascoe would have presented the Fulton case to the Board, all done and dusted in a week.
Did Lee and Pascoe’s due diligence question why the Fulton sphere of influence has been pushed out of Manly?
It looks to me as though this Fulton sphere of influence (which includes media and player managers) is seeking to infiltrate the clubs corridors of power at Concord. Sheens undoing is being out of the NRL for 10 years and therefor may not have been fully across of how the game has become so influenced by the power of player managers and the manoeuvres they’ll make to best serve their interests, wanting their man Fulton as head of recruitment, even at the expense of Marshall and Sheens whose integrity has been attacked by Zorba and Hadley. Basically the club’s been circled by a pack of player managers seeking to reap the benefits of its 13 million salary cap.
The Wests Tigers Board/Chairman/CEO to me are in a position of weakness. This weakness is an absence of Rugby League IQ and broader knowledge of the powers of influence in the game, after 12 seasons of non-finals they just don’t have enough knowhow to take the club to the next level and protect the clubs interests - they’ve achieved some good things, but they are floundering with other critical decision-making and implementing a longterm strategic plan.
Bob Fulton was a ruthless operator, he knew what he wanted and he got it, and it brought about success. Scott’s been schooled on it all and is cut from the same cloth. Sheens influence has waned with the mounting losses. The future is Benji and Fulton, or at least one of them. Benji is a popular personality, but hasn’t the skin in the coaching game to protect and project himself enough, he’s still an unknown silent novice apprentice being fast tracked to head-coach. With Fulton now firmly in the house, he, like his father will eventually get his way, he’s already got his minders to bare their teeth, the Fulton Wolfpack has circled the club, and they are digging in to protect their man.
If Lee and Pascoe had consulted Benji and Sheens on Fulton then they probably would have understandably taken a guarded approach and would have wanted to investigate and assess before appointing - that would have been due diligence! Hadley knew this acted swiftly to negate it. Lee and Pascoe have obviously hitched their wagon to Fulton, and like it or not SO is Benji’s future at Wests Tigers. Maybe it’s best that Benji comes to terms with that. What’s done is done, the strategic plan (if there ever really was one) has changed, and will likely change again and again. Perhaps it's time for Benji to invite Scott into the coaches box.
Great post 👍👍
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Great points raised here by @Helmesy, @TheLastRonin, @TigerSteve & @Garry and I agree with all of them, but I also think that to a large extent these issues are symptomatic of a bigger higher level problem that for want of a better word I'll call INTEGRITY. By this I mean walking our walk. Doing what we say we are going to do.
The role of a board and by extension the CEO is to formulate a plan for the organisation, gather and produce the resources necessary to execute that plan and then execute the plan. In the last 10years there has been no evidence of the board/CEO having an actual plan as shown by our performances on and off the field, but more tellingly in our junior development. Last year they finally did scrape together a plan (IMO mostly Sheens) and they started down that road and failed very early in the execution.
The reason that the club cant sell its vision to prospective players for recruiting is not a personnel issue, it wont be fixed by getting a better "recruitment guy". The reason the club cant sell itself to players and managers is because they cant walk their walk. They cant say to a player "We have this plan to get back to the top with you" because they have shown time after time that it is just words and means nothing. They cant formulate a plan, they cant stick to a plan. They have no integrity with player managers, media or fans and this has been earned and is not repairable.
Spot on 👍
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On his Bryden's segment on SEN this morning, Lee mentioned that he was unanimously backed as Chair as a vote of confidence at the board meeting last night.
