Just listening to the boys on the podcast post the final game & the talk of the problems at the Tigers (there’s a few obviously) came up. They agreed the main problem is a cultural thing. Now, one thing I noticed yesterday was the reaction of the boys behind the goal line after a couple of early tries were scored against them (I was down that end unfortunately). Not one player was animated or showed anger at what was happening even after the tries kept coming. I love AD but he was almost aloof. Suffice to say leadership was lacking. I know this sounds like an old man reminiscing but Tommy Raudonikis would not only give it to his players but he would back that up by being the first to make the tackle on a bopper next set after the kick off, he led by talk & actions, you have to back it up. The Tigers need leadership that will change the culture. Jackson Hastings is one guy, Api Koroisau is another who will help in this regard, perhaps Joffa as well. I agree with Garry too that Hastings should be told he will be captain (if he stays, oh boy). But they need leadership out there, some very, very strong leadership.
Before the term leadership is discussed on the footy park .. the term leadership has to be addressed at management level as at present it seems self preservation is top priority within administration… someone needs to take ownership of what has happened this season !
@snake Hard to disagree but I’m also in that camp that thinks our club has been in the doldrums for longer than the current management has been there. I think they’ve done some good things away from the field but we tend to look only at the results of the NRL team & that’s understandable too. Anyway, I think this season it saw things come to a head (NRL failure that is) & some very tough decisions were made by planning for next season & basically sacrificing this. No doubt results were worse than expected but that was one of possibilities once those decisions were made. It’s really difficult to accept, I’m not even sure I’ve accepted it, but given that our club is the worst performing club the past 23 years (3 finals appearances) I kind of understand why it’s been done. If there’s no improvement next season then the people running the club must go.
Before the term leadership is discussed on the footy park .. the term leadership has to be addressed at management level as at present it seems self preservation is top priority within administration… someone needs to take ownership of what has happened this season !
Yep and that is the problem with the club. The top is rotten and it trickles down to the core. Don’t blame the players at all this year when the head gave up well before the players did.
@snake Hard to disagree but I’m also in that camp that thinks our club has been in the doldrums for longer than the current management has been there. I think they’ve done some good things away from the field but we tend to look only at the results of the NRL team & that’s understandable too. Anyway, I think this season it saw things come to a head (NRL failure that is) & some very tough decisions were made by planning for next season & basically sacrificing this. No doubt results were worse than expected but that was one of possibilities once those decisions were made. It’s really difficult to accept, I’m not even sure I’ve accepted it, but given that our club is the worst performing club the past 23 years (3 finals appearances) I kind of understand why it’s been done. If there’s no improvement next season then the people running the club must go.
The trouble is we have been saying that in one form or another for the last 7 or 8 years. When is it actually going to happen or will there be just another reason/excuse next year?
What happens in November is key for me. We need at least 2 quality signings in November for me to be ok with how this season ended.
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@mike Yes but this is the first time we’ve taken such a step in terms of the pathways vision & the new coaching structure. I’m kind of excited by this because, for me anyway, this is a new start (and we need a new start) we’re not just sticking with a formula which has brought mediocrity or worse. Now, if next season does not see any progress in terms of results on field then the leaders in the Admin have to take responsibility. I actually believe we will improve & surprise a lot of people because I don’t think we’re far away from the 8 (a lot has to go right obviously & I base it on what we saw before the last 7 or 8 weeks) I don’t think any club is far away but I do think we, and a few others, are way off going further than scraping into the final 8 although that should be a realistic target in a few years if all goes as we hope it will. But right now us, the Warriors, Titans, Knights, Bulldogs & maybe even Dragons will take that.
What happens in November is key for me. We need at least 2 quality signings in November for me to be ok with how this season ended.
I dont think there is any rescuing this season. Would take a Munster, DBrown, Moses, Teddy type signing to turn perceptions around
What happens in November is key for me. We need at least 2 quality signings in November for me to be ok with how this season ended.
I dont think there is any rescuing this season. Would take a Munster, DBrown, Moses, Teddy type signing to turn perceptions around
Honestly to turn my perception around we’d have to sign all of them. And We still wouldn’t make the 8
For me the Tigers could’ve won 8 or 9 games this year. They were good enough to win those games e.g. as good as the Dragons in 1, if not both, those contests. They were as good as the Warriors, if not better, at Campbelltown. As good as the Titans at the Gold Coast, won the Cowboys game at Townsville & maybe could’ve won against the Panthers at Commbank. If, in our worst season to this point, we were good enough to win just 3 more of those as well as the Cowboys game we end up with 8 wins. And remember we had some shocking calls in a few of those games. Clubs only need to win about half their games to make the 8, I think we will be capable of doing that next season. The Warriors, Titans & Knights finished with only 2 more wins than the Tigers despite the Tigers lending players, injuries to key players etc. Any of those teams could scrape into to finals next year, the Knights & Titans both did in the past couple of seasons by winning about 50% of their games. We don’t know with any certainty what will happen besides 4 or 5 of the “big” clubs featuring again. Thank goodness we have that small amount of unpredictability to cling onto for hope.
For me the Tigers could’ve won 8 or 9 games this year. They were good enough to win those games e.g. as good as the Dragons in 1, if not both, those contests. They were as good as the Warriors, if not better, at Campbelltown. As good as the Titans at the Gold Coast, won the Cowboys game at Townsville & maybe could’ve won against the Panthers at Commbank. If, in our worst season to this point, we were good enough to win just 3 more of those as well as the Cowboys game we end up with 8 wins. And remember we had some shocking calls in a few of those games. Clubs only need to win about half their games to make the 8, I think we will be capable of doing that next season. The Warriors, Titans & Knights finished with only 2 more wins than the Tigers despite the Tigers lending players, injuries to key players etc. Any of those teams could scrape into to finals next year, the Knights & Titans both did in the past couple of seasons by winning about 50% of their games. We don’t know with any certainty what will happen besides 4 or 5 of the “big” clubs featuring again. Thank goodness we have that small amount of unpredictability to cling onto for hope.
Sorry rusty. If we could of won those games we would have. When the chips where down and it was on the line we couldn't.
- This is a bit like when i tell the wife how when we were dating i had to go to liv tylers house and do a couple of jobs and that shes lucky i choose her over liv. Fantasy
Leadership means someone needs to take ownership of the situation. They need to hold themselves and those they employ responsibile and both enforce and accept accountability.
Who is that? Currently it is a whole bunch of personnel with a narrative as to why they are not to blame. Outgoing coach is a caretaker, incoming coach is focusing on 2023. The board will say they appointed sheens/benji and are investing in youth. CEO will point at the Centre of Excellence and say that is his achievement and show you a profit and loss identifying the club's profitability.
However, as a professional sporting organisation, their 'business' is winning football games. This year that happened only 4 times (or 16%) of the time. It also holds the longest record for not appearing in the finals of any club. Its on field performances have regressed for the last 3 years.
Sacking the coach is one remedy as well as removing the assistants. However, it is evident that the issue runs deeper than that. The attitude of the players and administrators reflects one of an organisation where there are no consequences for inept performances. Or a club that accepts excuses for the lack of professionalism (like close enough is good enough).
The time has come, the board must move on Pascoe. He is the common denominator over the last 7 years of poor performance. No organisation (sporting or otherwise) would accept their CEO continued under performance on their business' core purpose. Business is results driven.
That will take real leadership from the Board. Lets see if they have the guts to do it.
Leadership means someone needs to take ownership of the situation. They need to hold themselves and those they employ responsibile and both enforce and accept accountability.
Who is that? Currently it is a whole bunch of personnel with a narrative as to why they are not to blame. Outgoing coach is a caretaker, incoming coach is focusing on 2023. The board will say they appointed sheens/benji and are investing in youth. CEO will point at the Centre of Excellence and say that is his achievement and show you a profit and loss identifying the club's profitability.
However, as a professional sporting organisation, their 'business' is winning football games. This year that happened only 4 times (or 16%) of the time. It also holds the longest record for not appearing in the finals of any club. Its on field performances have regressed for the last 3 years.
Sacking the coach is one remedy as well as removing the assistants. However, it is evident that the issue runs deeper than that. The attitude of the players and administrators reflects one of an organisation where there are no consequences for inept performances. Or a club that accepts excuses for the lack of professionalism (like close enough is good enough).
The time has come, the board must move on Pascoe. He is the common denominator over the last 7 years of poor performance. No organisation (sporting or otherwise) would accept their CEO continued under performance on their business' core purpose. Business is results driven.
That will take real leadership from the Board. Lets see if they have the guts to do it.
I reckon this has already started.
New people have moved in as of today. As of today our coach is Tim Sheens with Benji (and Furner) at his side at football is their responsibility. As far as Pascoe is concerned, his days are numbered and it will be a matter of time before Farah, R. is put in place. Its like a virus with a long incubation period. All IMO of course.
@kiwitiger I agree but my point is we weren’t that far away from winning 7 or 8 games which I think most of us probably thought we might do at the beginning of the season. Not far away from winning 7 or 8 games despite it being the worst year we’ve had. That can be turned around with a few good recruitment decisions (we’ve had 2 so far) & some improvements in the way we play. We’re not a million miles away from scraping into the finals but neither are the teams who won a couple more games than us. We could all finish down the bottom of the table again but it wouldn’t shock to see one of those teams improve enough to give the 8 a nudge.
@garry You made a good point in the podcast that had Api & Papali’i been announced now or in the next few weeks most of us would think more positively about next season. And if, as you’ve pointed out, a couple more good signings are made then that would also provide us with more hope. Blore is basically a new signing as well (again).
