We can and should target the same or higher membership numbers than Parra, they are at the top of their success curve at the moment and we are at the bottom. If we don't set ourselves ambitious targets then we will never get to the top of the game.
By the way our memberships for this year at sitting just under 21k which is not 50% of 32k.
As I said earlier, even at our very best (premiers) we weren't closer to the numbers you're hoping for. If you can provide me some facts or stats that back your position I'll gladly cede to your position.
With regards the maths I wasn't clear - they have 50% more than our current membership.
Abdo made an interesting comment on the stadium on that chanel 9 show with Gould, he said every Sydney club has a strategy of home game attendance some a mix of local stadia and then 10% big marquee games at the bigger stadiums but ultimately it is the choice of each club.
Gould then made the comment no way for a club game SFS would get remotely full or near 42k
Abdo then went on to say nrl and club plans are to have smaller stadiums where it is encouraged if you are a member you can get into the football and that way it drives memberships.
Don't know if I necessarily agree with Abdo but if we play at boutique LO and CSS whe we are flying the only way you are at the game is with memberships I guess.
If you consider the situation with Parra. Brand new "state of the art" stadium, only holds mid 20s. if we could upgrade LO & CSS to hold an extra 5K I think we would be in a good position.
We can and should target the same or higher membership numbers than Parra, they are at the top of their success curve at the moment and we are at the bottom. If we don't set ourselves ambitious targets then we will never get to the top of the game.
By the way our memberships for this year at sitting just under 21k which is not 50% of 32k.
As I said earlier, even at our very best (premiers) we weren't closer to the numbers you're hoping for. If you can provide me some facts or stats that back your position I'll gladly cede to your position.
With regards the maths I wasn't clear - they have 50% more than our current membership.
Wests Tigers biggest attendance this season was 30,685 for the clash with South Sydney at the SCG in May.
Playing home games at the SFS and SCG has allowed thousands of more fans to attend NRL games and catapulted Wests Tigers to record attendances. As a result, Wests Tigers has one of the NRL’s highest average attendances.
https://www.infosportsworld.com/wests-tigers-attendances-rise-by-eig/
Given the state of the world at the moment, as well as federal and state government deficits and much more needy causes, I don’t know if I feel really comfortable tipping big money into facilities that support clubs that essentially exist to support a league that generates huge amounts of revenue. I don’t know why the clubs/nrl don’t tip in some money for suburban ground updates if that’s what they want. I think it’s all small time thinking.
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Wests Tigers moved to play their blockbuster games at the SCG and the SFS in 2009 and averaged 20,796 fans per game in their debut home ground season.
In 2009 our average attendance was 17,943. Some will be higher, some lower. If Leichhardt was updated it could easily add 1500 seats to get to 20k. It would still only see it on rare occasions so to expect it to be a corporate windfall is foley.
SFS and Commbank might be great stadia, but they're not going to feel like a home ground. I like to feel like I'm at my home ground, not a chamber designed to appease the few hundred corporates (of which I'm one) rather than the tens of thousands of punters.
The SFS will still be there if we need it - we won't be banned from playing there - I just want a 'home' rather than a house.
15k to 20k packing out LO every home game would be ideal
Wests Tigers moved to play their blockbuster games at the SCG and the SFS in 2009 and averaged 20,796 fans per game in their debut home ground season.
In 2009 our average attendance was 17,943. Some will be higher, some lower. If Leichhardt was updated it could easily add 1500 seats to get to 20k. It would still only see it on rare occasions so to expect it to be a corporate windfall is foley.
SFS and Commbank might be great stadia, but they're not going to feel like a home ground. I like to feel like I'm at my home ground, not a chamber designed to appease the few hundred corporates (of which I'm one) rather than the tens of thousands of punters.
The SFS will still be there if we need it - we won't be banned from playing there - I just want a 'home' rather than a house.
Mate you asked for facts and figures and I've shown you conclusively that we can pull over 20k fans regularly when the team is going well and that was at the old SFS. We actually hit 30k twice that year for regular season games against Souths and Parra. At a new state of the art SFS with a decent team(I know!) we could be matching this easily.
That's all missed opportunities for the club if we confine ourselves to LO or CSS.
My son and I have memberships at LO and I enjoy going there but we need to make some hard headed and pragmatic decisions based on sound logic and reason and not some romanticized notion of bygone years. LO is not fit for purpose for anything other then reserve grade games with a couple of thousand fans there and that's what it should be used for. Committing to there or CSS long term would be a criminally short sighted decision by the club and would cost us big dollars in the medium/long term.
Wests Tigers moved to play their blockbuster games at the SCG and the SFS in 2009 and averaged 20,796 fans per game in their debut home ground season.
In 2009 our average attendance was 17,943. Some will be higher, some lower. If Leichhardt was updated it could easily add 1500 seats to get to 20k. It would still only see it on rare occasions so to expect it to be a corporate windfall is foley.
SFS and Commbank might be great stadia, but they're not going to feel like a home ground. I like to feel like I'm at my home ground, not a chamber designed to appease the few hundred corporates (of which I'm one) rather than the tens of thousands of punters.
The SFS will still be there if we need it - we won't be banned from playing there - I just want a 'home' rather than a house.
Mate you asked for facts and figures and I've shown you conclusively that we can pull over 20k fans regularly when the team is going well and that was at the old SFS. We actually hit 30k twice that year for regular season games against Souths and Parra. At a new state of the art SFS with a decent team(I know!) we could be matching this easily.
That's all missed opportunities for the club if we confine ourselves to LO or CSS.
My son and I have memberships at LO and I enjoy going there but we need to make some hard headed and pragmatic decisions based on sound logic and reason and not some romanticized notion of bygone years. LO is not fit for purpose for anything other then reserve grade games with a couple of thousand fans there and that's what it should be used for. Committing to there or CSS long term would be a criminally short sighted decision by the club and would cost us big dollars in the medium/long term.
Correct.
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Mate you asked for facts and figures and I've shown you conclusively that we can pull over 20k fans regularly
Not at all - you've cherry picked a few games from 13 years ago. The long terms stats for both the Tigers and every other team show attendances average around 15,000. The averages haven't changed in years and they're unlikely to. If they do, SFS is available. The exception to the rule are single team towns and that's not unexpected.
The Eels are the most analogous to us as they have a very strong supporter base - 50% more than us - plus have been in the top 8 consistently over the past few years. On top of this they have the latest, greatest stadium. They average... @ 17,000.
I'm not suggesting the current Leichhardt oval is the solution. It would need - from my own previous post - to be significantly upgraded. I simply hate the idea of selling our soul and throwing away any opportunity to have an actual home ground.
If the stats showed we were increasing attendances by 10 or 15% a year then let's move to a bigger stadium, but we're struggling to maintain what we have despite higher memberships. Moving the Tigers to a 40k seat stadium would be like a boomer buying a 6 bedroom house the day after a vasectomy 🙂
Mate you asked for facts and figures and I've shown you conclusively that we can pull over 20k fans regularly
Not at all - you've cherry picked a few games from 13 years ago. The long terms stats for both the Tigers and every other team show attendances average around 15,000. The averages haven't changed in years and they're unlikely to. If they do, SFS is available. The exception to the rule are single team towns and that's not unexpected.
The Eels are the most analogous to us as they have a very strong supporter base - 50% more than us - plus have been in the top 8 consistently over the past few years. On top of this they have the latest, greatest stadium. They average... @ 17,000.
I'm not suggesting the current Leichhardt oval is the solution. It would need - from my own previous post - to be significantly upgraded. I simply hate the idea of selling our soul and throwing away any opportunity to have an actual home ground.
If the stats showed we were increasing attendances by 10 or 15% a year then let's move to a bigger stadium, but we're struggling to maintain what we have despite higher memberships. Moving the Tigers to a 40k seat stadium would be like a boomer buying a 6 bedroom house the day after a vasectomy 🙂
Doesn’t this just prove that the eels membership stats are padded out with non ticket members/pet members? If there are 30k+ members and they are only averaging 17k that implies that almost half the time people aren’t using their tickets. Seems unlikely and therefore this isn’t a like for like comparison
@helmesy Hard to argue against.When you think of some of some of the gargantuan broadcasting deals that the various NRL administrations have presided over in years gone by.Top end heavy,and consultancies aplenty feeding from the corporate trough.What does the NRL have to show for it?It could have bought sites and developed its own stadia if it had a long term vision like the AFL.Surely the proposed Penrith stadium is in trouble,that sort of money should’ve been spread across the board rather than pork barreled.
@helmesy Hard to argue against.When you think of some of some of the gargantuan broadcasting deals that the various NRL administrations have presided over in years gone by.Top end heavy,and consultancies aplenty feeding from the corporate trough.What does the NRL have to show for it?It could have bought sites and developed its own stadia if it had a long term vision like the AFL.Surely the proposed Penrith stadium is in trouble,that sort of money should’ve been spread across the board rather than pork barreled.
The Penrith Stadium redevelopment is a disgrace.
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15k to 20k packing out LO every home game would be ideal
Would be great but uncomfortable at those numbers.
@helmesy Hard to argue against.When you think of some of some of the gargantuan broadcasting deals that the various NRL administrations have presided over in years gone by.Top end heavy,and consultancies aplenty feeding from the corporate trough.What does the NRL have to show for it?It could have bought sites and developed its own stadia if it had a long term vision like the AFL.Surely the proposed Penrith stadium is in trouble,that sort of money should’ve been spread across the board rather than pork barreled.
The Penrith Stadium redevelopment is a disgrace.
Should not go ahead, there are far more pressing priorities for that $300m.
