We have a chairman who has a weekly radio slot on SEN and a CEO who has a weekly podcast where he pitches softball questions at his employees.
And we are the worst performing club of the NRL era.
It is a farce.
I was onboard the Sheens/Benji idea because sheens sounds like he knows his football and Benji was a winner and uniquely passionate about Wests Tigers. I’m starting to think we should just let Benji be full time coach and have a crack for a few years and let sheens go back to sort out pathways etc. At least then this experiment will only last a couple of years rather than this 5 year commitment we have made.
400,000 fans are about to walk anyway. Wests Tigers have already lost a generation. Unless the NRL steps in and organises an independent review the Holman Barnes Group will continue doing what they are doing. So yeah let’s start with sacking those who have been responsible for the debacle to date.Add Lee and we are in agreement of where to start… 😂😂😂😂To me that’s just an excuse to keep the status quo and do nothing. As far as I’m concerned there are no excuses. Instead we should be looking at what we can do to move forward. The time of doing nothing about the front office has well and truly passed."I was happy that Madge got shafted". That's a weird thing to put in your case that sacking someone is potentially not the answer.By your reasoning then Madge wasn't the problem? You think Sheens/Marshall is the answer?Tigers fans: The media always attack the Tigers over meaningless things, I wish they would leave us alone.
Also Tigers fans ; "Oh look, Pascoe was looking at his phone in the dressing room!!!! Thats disgraceful! Look, here is a link to the media bleating about it!"
Can you believe he was in Brisbane kicking a football on the field? Off with his head.
At this point, Pascoe could be in an orphanage on Christmas Day handing out expensive gifts and the fans would still go for his throat. About as popular as leprosy right now.
Fans have run out of people to blame
Literally, Pascoe is one of the few things we haven't changed.
Assuming The Board never changes itself voluntarily, I do hope Lee H and Pascoe leave. At least then we can stop talking about needing to overhaul the management, and put it to the test. It doesn't seem to matter that we've actually had several prior managers (Noyce, Longmuir, Humphreys, Meyer) and none of them oversaw long periods of Tigers success, nor does anyone remember for a while that Tigers were in financial trouble and required an NRL bail-out and Board intervention with independent members assigned.
And Lee H might be unpopular but we weren't winning when Marina Go or Fatty O'Barrell were the chairperson either.
But sure, move them both on and then we can see just how quickly Tigers do or do not improve. I am still of the opinion that on-field improvement is 95% the responsibility of the coaching staff, pathways and the players, not the admin. I don't subscribe to Mike's idea that making typos or other minor mistakes trickle down to on-field performance. Like I said before, we just built an $80M CoE and that hasn't yet impacted player performance one iota, and surely that would account for more than a typo or other inconsequential error?
Maybe then, once we've moved everybody on, we'll have to sack the merchandise lady and the canteen chef because they are the last "common denominator" of the lack of success.
Well put and I agree with you. I was happy that Madge got shafted, it hasnt fixed the problems though. Sacking Pascoe & Lee similarly wont fix anything, may have the opposite effect. That list you have of Noyce, Longmuir, Humpreys & Meyer got us to the point where the NRL had to step in and save us. Under Pascoe the only thing saving us from being kicked out or relocated is the off field performance of the club.
That is my whole point. Sacking someone is potentially not the answer, the replacement is potentially.
But, I know I will be happy when the hapless Sheens/McDonnell/Marshall/Furner facade is punted. And, as soon as possible.
Then you are misunderstanding me. Let me try to be clearer. You will be happy when the hapless Sheens/McDonnell/Marshall/Furner facade is punted. What if they replace them with an 80yo Alan Jones and they dont win a game for another 4 years? Will that have fixed the problem? Is that the answer?
Im not suggesting we do nothing, just that the "sack him" mentality is inherently flawed and with the board calling the shots it is actually odds on that we would go backwards. It needs to be a wholistic approach to the system, structurally. Replacing A with B is unlikely to fix it. It needs a new system that systemically addresses all the shortcomings of the organisation. New positions need to be created and the right people put in those positions. This board is unlikely to do this and will IMO very soon bow to fan and media pressure and sack Pascoe and replace him with someone mediocre without changing the way we do things. That person will jump in, make noises and increase the sales of caps. Nothing will change.
IMO I thought we were starting to take the right step making Sheens Football Operations Manager, but that has been thrown out the window with the baby and the bathwater.
Steves suggestion of a KPMG investigative review is a good first step. Then I would seriously appoint a review of how other clubs in the NRL, AFL & NFL set up their structures and agree on the structure of the organisation and then appoint the best people we can find to each of those positions.
The person responsible for all of the above is actually Lee.
But yeah........Punt Pascoe....and Brooks.
The club under those two have been going backwards, but it’s always someone else’s fault. It’s interesting that they will blame a coach for the decrease in win rates but ignore their own part they play in that process over a longer period of time.
I don’t believe they would ever do an independent review because I am sure they know what the results would be and it wouldn’t be pretty.
The place is delusional, we have at least one board member who fervently believes we’ll still make the 8 this year.
Brooks absolutely needs to be elsewhere. I want a divorce. I’m over the crap that has been dished up since 2018 when he won the Dally M Best Halfback (I still can’t figure how he did as he wasn’t that great even then). I also believe it went to his head to be honest. Time to move on…
And thats it? Just sack them? Doesnt matter who replaces them? Just slot them into the same systems?
If that happens I walk. Ive had it
ive been thinking about this tonight as Ive been filling up the thread. The guy most responsible IMO for the hole we are in or at least most responsible for the climb out, is Lee. His seat is probably secure because of the money he tips in, but that gives him power to move an immovable board. "Either you guys change/undertake a review/change these structures or I grab my money and walk out of here". Lee is probably the only one that has the clout to make it happen. He wont.
You are right but the only way it would ever be done is if it was initiated by the NRL. The Holman Barnes Group are part of the problem and it needs to be above them. The NRL hold the name Wests Tigers, trademark and issue the license. The NRL needs to step in.
Why would the NRL step in? They don't get involved in anything other than finances, so if the club is solvent, the lack of wins is not their concern.
They might step in if the number of viewers starts dropping off. It may effect the NRLs ability to effectively negotiate the next TV deal.You are right but the only way it would ever be done is if it was initiated by the NRL. The Holman Barnes Group are part of the problem and it needs to be above them. The NRL hold the name Wests Tigers, trademark and issue the license. The NRL needs to step in.
Why would the NRL step in? They don't get involved in anything other than finances, so if the club is solvent, the lack of wins is not their concern.
They might step in if the number of viewers starts dropping off. It may effect the NRLs ability to effectively negotiate the next TV deal.You are right but the only way it would ever be done is if it was initiated by the NRL. The Holman Barnes Group are part of the problem and it needs to be above them. The NRL hold the name Wests Tigers, trademark and issue the license. The NRL needs to step in.
Why would the NRL step in? They don't get involved in anything other than finances, so if the club is solvent, the lack of wins is not their concern.
If we dont start winning soon, it wont matter how many caps or pet memberships we sell, it will start to impact the finances.
And thats it? Just sack them? Doesnt matter who replaces them? Just slot them into the same systems?
If that happens I walk. Ive had it
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In memory of Geoff Chisholm (1965-2022)
So is this jersey thing going to be what finally sees Pascoe dumped?
So is this jersey thing going to be what finally sees Pascoe dumped?
I think it really depends, apparently it was designed in consultation with Holworthy Army Barracks, IF that is true and they sought approval for the design then I don't think it is much of a story.
If that isn't the case then this is a massive issue and hugely embarrassing for the club.
In memory of Geoff Chisholm (1965-2022)
@tigertownsfs I've found non tiger mates- messages me talking about it.
Unfortunately, just another example of no attention to detail.
May be the final nail in the coffin
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So is this jersey thing going to be what finally sees Pascoe dumped?
I think it really depends, apparently it was designed in consultation with Holworthy Army Barracks, IF that is true and they sought approval for the design then I don't think it is much of a story.
If that isn't the case then this is a massive issue and hugely embarrassing for the club.
Don't think it matters Garry
Damage to club image already been done.
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So is this jersey thing going to be what finally sees Pascoe dumped?
I think it really depends, apparently it was designed in consultation with Holworthy Army Barracks, IF that is true and they sought approval for the design then I don't think it is much of a story.
If that isn't the case then this is a massive issue and hugely embarrassing for the club.
Don't think it matters Garry
Damage to club image already been done.
It 100% matters, IF they consulted and got approval for the design then that falls on whoever approved it.
In memory of Geoff Chisholm (1965-2022)
What is the story Im missing about the jersey?
So is this jersey thing going to be what finally sees Pascoe dumped?
I think it really depends, apparently it was designed in consultation with Holworthy Army Barracks, IF that is true and they sought approval for the design then I don't think it is much of a story.
If that isn't the case then this is a massive issue and hugely embarrassing for the club.
Don't think it matters Garry
Damage to club image already been done.
It 100% matters, IF they consulted and got approval for the design then that falls on whoever approved it.
But as Steve says perception is reality - everyone has seen the article and made up their mind about the club - (on top of a list of other errors which have made the media)
Pointing fingers at the army and saying it was their fault - isn't going to make us look any better.
At the end of the day, it q WT jersey so WT are reasonable for how we look and represent ourselves. Only impacts WT not Army.
JP always says he take responsibility
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What is the story Im missing about the jersey?
The image of soldiers on the jersey is a stock image from the internet of American soldiers and an American helicopter.
The issue being it's not of Australian soldiers - so looks lazy and disrespectful
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