https://www.weststigers.com.au/news/2023/04/05/wests-tigers-to-redesign-commemorative-jersey/
I can just see them now out at Holsworthy recreating the same image with Australians
i hope that they recreate the image using Pascoe & Lee in slouch hats.....for the lols.
Your still giving it air mate. The players don't care about the jersey, all they care about is people making a fuss over it and the external noise.Do I think it affects players?
Let's focus on footy. The best junior footy I played was with a club that forgot to bring the jerseys and one time dished up cut lemons at half time instead of oranges. All I cared about was my team mates, to hoot with the rest of the crap.
For any other club this would be fairly embarrassing and followed up with an apology. For us it's business as usual.
In the past 7 days:
- Commemorative jersey feature american troops from a stock google image.
- Brooks loses 15th game in a row. Named at 7 again despite winning 2 of past 23 games.
- Sheens proclaims Doueihi best fullback at the club. Plays so poorly he's demoted back to the halves from where he was previously moved for poor play.
- Pascoe on the phone in the dressing room at half time, and kicking a ball on pitch pre game. Chairman Lee defends him on his nauseating radio segment.
- Pascoe does interview with Buzz Rothfield defending his idiocy and showing absolute zero self awareness.
- Sheens saying he hopes we can win during the bye round.
- Laurie liking posts of opposition player scoring against us.
- Tigers try to sign Mitchell Pearce, tells us to bugger off.
- Kepaoa, who has bulked up in the offseason to play in the backrow and performed well all year, moved to wing.
- Chris Heighington has his name spelt completely wrong by WT media team on tweet advertising latest episode of 'ask the boss'.
Did I miss anything?
What's your argument though? That Tigers make mistakes, that there are issues with the club? I thought that was obvious already. Half of the things you've listed out are nothings, like Luke Brooks being a loser or Kepaoa playing wing - by the way AJ has played wing for Tigers 14 times in the past.
What's really concerning me are these pile-ons, it's coming from everywhere, every time Tigers put their foot wrong. Worst from Tigers fans.
Consider an analogy: your son makes some behavioural mistakes at school. Is the best course of action to acknowledge his mistakes and plot a constructive path forward, or do you become hugely sensitive and critical to any mistake he makes in the future? Are you understanding and supportive that it's a journey towards improvement, or do you smack him back down at the whiff of an indiscretion?
I don't understand it and it's become so concerning for me. It's a response to the lack of wins of course - none of this stuff would matter if Tigers were winning footy. But because we are not winning, it's gone the opposite way and everything stupid has become super-serious.
I've said it before: I can't wait for Pascoe to get the sack or resign. Because then it will at least give us some little breathing space where fans are not clamouring for someone to blame for everything. I don't think the head of Pascoe will make a difference for the footy results, I truly do not, but he's become such a toxic figurehead that I think as fans we need the break.
But I also think as fans we have a responsibility to understand the position the club is in, and not get hysterical every week when some minor indiscretion comes up. Sure, Daine Laurie should not have liked a try by Cobbo, but really why does anyone care?
I got told many years ago, when I liked to do football analysis (on-field play) - when I had time to do football analysis - that "only wins matter". And that's something I took to heart. But your list of 10 points makes it appear that actually, wins aren't the only thing that matter, unless you have a lot of wins already in the bank. Instead, until you bank a respectable amount of wins, actually "everything matters" and there is much wailing and gnashing of teeth.
I've tried, I've tried in the other forum to provide a counter-opinion, some kind of balance, but as you are all aware there's a lot of howl-downs, and it's become a little "echo-chambery" for the shouters.
Of course people are free to get upset about the jersey, but I think it's such a nothing issue whilst we are trying to find the road to success. I'm not interested in spending much time being concerned about it, rather I am concerned about the level of the fanbase's response.
But you never think anything is a big issue. You dismiss everything as hyperbole without recognising that all these things add up. My argument is that the most unprofessional team in the NRL that are coming dead last are shooting themselves in the foot every week by having no self awareness and zero attention to detail. As most of us have faced in our professional life, when things are going badly it's incredibly important to do the little things right. We're not getting the little things right and it shows.
I think I understand where @Jirskyr is coming from actually. To an extent I have been similarly defensive of Brooks and Pascoe because IMO a lot of the criticism (less common on this forum) is simply mob mentality pile on on a trivial basis and I have defended Brooks & Pascoe, predominantly against the mob mentality. On both of these guys, Ive probably reached a tipping point and the cumulative errors have reached critical mass. As Ive made clear here though, I dont want to see Pascoe merely sacked, we need a systemic overhaul.
The processes in place did not capture this and many other issues. That’s the CEOs responsibility to ensure the policies and procedures are in place so errors like this don’t happen. The jersey on its own is minor, but it becomes part of a dossier of stuff ups that is huge. Do I think it affects players? Absolutely I do and especially when there is no accountability. It’s an attitude that filters down through the organisation. It’s why good, dare I say great players, when the come here they end up being Wests Tiger players, if you get my drift.This jersey thing is just another own goal by the club compounded by not taking responsibility for the error. Surely they can find a similar image to update the jersey with.
I'm glad it's just American soldiers and not members of ISIS or the Taliban. That could have been a real doozy.
Do I understand correctly - it's not American soldiers, it's just generic soldiers right, it's some stock photoshop thing they've licenced. They have no nationality.
I posted in the other forum, though that just leads to howls and cat-calling, that I think this is a very small issue, but I think Tigers have made a grave mistake by backpedalling and listening to the howls on social media. They should have pushed on and ignored it all.
It's a lack of attention to detail. It's unprofessional. If you're ok with it that's fine but I can assure you 95% of people are not.
How precisely will you assure me that 95% of people are not happy with the jersey?
Also it's got nothing to do with footy, that's why I ignore it. Not fine, not fine at all, but not a thing to be upset about. Are people trying to draw a correlation between bad jersey design and player performance? Does anyone really believe players play badly because senior management have gaffes, and that the absence of gaffes will correct the performance of the players?
remember when they posted the bizarrely inaccurate bio of club legend and coach Benji Marshall? It was literally posted on the wall and walked past dozens of times before the opening night and it was not picked up. Or These things just don’t seem to happen to other clubs.
Contrast that to the way that the Rabbits handled the death of John sattler and their jersey at short notice to replicate his famous one.
Its not about the Jersey. It’s the failures, lax attitude, no accountability, no attention to detail. That’s what you see on the playing field.Your still giving it air mate. The players don't care about the jersey, all they care about is people making a fuss over it and the external noise.Do I think it affects players?
Let's focus on footy. The best junior footy I played was with a club that forgot to bring the jerseys and one time dished up cut lemons at half time instead of oranges. All I cared about was my team mates, to hoot with the rest of the crap.
Of course these issues come to light when you are the first team since the 60's to start the year 0-5 two years in a row. Add to that, 11 consecutive seasons of not making finals footy.
And rightly so. This simply highlights the culture at the place. No care, no diligence.
Driven by a Chairmen and a CEO, obsessed with their media profiles not by results. Shielded from any accountability.
Corey Parker is right, the club needs the broom put through it. Nothing changes until there is fundamental changes to way the club is run.
If it doesn't change, recruiting will get harder, we will struggle to retain sponsors, members numbers will drop.
You can feel from the fans, it is getting exhausting.
Well across both forums and all facebook groups you're pretty the only one that doesn't seem bothered by it.
Please tell me you don't judge the reaction of a large group by those few who scream the loudest? Most people who aren't bothered by it, by definition, don't comment on it.
But you never think anything is a big issue. You dismiss everything as hyperbole without recognising that all these things add up. My argument is that the most unprofessional team in the NRL that are coming dead last are shooting themselves in the foot every week by having no self awareness and zero attention to detail. As most of us have faced in our professional life, when things are going badly it's incredibly important to do the little things right. We're not getting the little things right and it shows.
Thank you for telling me what I think.
Most of it is hyperbole avo, that's the world we live in currently. Fox Sports are just an extension of the Fox News cycle where they invent things for people to get upset about. Nobody is coming on here quoting SMH or The Australian and getting all upset about thosee opinion pieces. They quote Fox, they quote other clickbait folks like Clarkey or Inside Man. It's mostly baloney.
I don't think all the little things add up, no. I don't think the players care who is on the jersey and most people wouldn't have batted an eyelid at the design except that someone wanted to make a big deal about it, to get some clicks on it, and here we are.
Actually in my profession, it's more important to do the big things right; to swing the bat hardest at the biggest issues. The little things can be addressed once the ship is back on even keel. Nobody cares about jersey PR if Tigers win football matches, which shows the daftness of it all.
Do they have enough tape and gatorade?
Ah they are 100% volunteers, I am going to cut them a lot of slack.
Don't need tape in Under 8s luckily.
I think I understand where @Jirskyr is coming from actually. To an extent I have been similarly defensive of Brooks and Pascoe because IMO a lot of the criticism (less common on this forum) is simply mob mentality pile on on a trivial basis and I have defended Brooks & Pascoe, predominantly against the mob mentality. On both of these guys, Ive probably reached a tipping point and the cumulative errors have reached critical mass. As Ive made clear here though, I dont want to see Pascoe merely sacked, we need a systemic overhaul.
Kind of... to be clear: I'm not really defending anyone. I am certainly not in a hurry to defend Pascoe, who is very unpopular, or Brooks, who hasn't played a decent game of footy in years.
I am instead asking why people care so much about these little things. I am defending calmness. You are right I am against the mob mentality, which is running riot due to lack of wins. It's 90% lizard brain and emotion. There are some people who love to complain and count up all the delicious negative disgusting things they hate about Tigers, whilst professing support and dedication. I am not saying that about anyone here, but the other forum has become rife with it.
Obviously Tigers PR stuffed up, whether it be Pascoe or some minion. They stuffed up because the issue exists at all, regardless of how significant it really is. But if the club is to improve, they need space to make mistakes and keep going, not be belted over the knuckles any time they step out of line.
Can you imagine the poor bloke or blokette who organised the jersey and got sign-off from Tigers management? They would probably be on $80K per year and the newspapers have hauled their output over the public coals, and the organisation has gone into emergency reaction mode. Now - is that PR person going to excel the next time around, are they going to be willing to take risks and make significant improvements? No I should think not, I think they will be on tenterhooks for some time. Certainly they won't stuff up the jersey again, but they'll be very conservative about anything they do, and conservative does not pull you ahead of the competition. So what have we achieved for all this drama? Scared the PR people into never doing anything adventurous with the jersey again.
I agree re: the Fox outrage machine - their model is self-sustaining in the way they add layers of outrage onto seemingly mundane incidents, and turn it into a week's worth of content. They pick on WT in particular given we are a big fanbase, and seem to be more aligned with 9fax in terms of briefing stories (that said, Chammas and Webster have both taken runs at WT management in recent weeks).
But we're well beyond that tbh. It's inarguable that we are a poorly run and poorly performing football club.
I don't really care about individuals - I just want them all to be better.
remember when they posted the bizarrely inaccurate bio of club legend and coach Benji Marshall? It was literally posted on the wall and walked past dozens of times before the opening night and it was not picked up. Or These things just don’t seem to happen to other clubs.
Contrast that to the way that the Rabbits handled the death of John sattler and their jersey at short notice to replicate his famous one.
It does happen at other clubs, just that fans are quick to forget.
You only have to look back half a year to what happened with the pride jersey at Manly, for an easy example. The NRL itself makes errors all the time, from the refs, down to the head-high policing epidemic, to Dave Smith not knowing who Cameron Smith was. The code is riddled with bad decisions and own-goals, that's how rugby league operates.
But you never think anything is a big issue. You dismiss everything as hyperbole without recognising that all these things add up. My argument is that the most unprofessional team in the NRL that are coming dead last are shooting themselves in the foot every week by having no self awareness and zero attention to detail. As most of us have faced in our professional life, when things are going badly it's incredibly important to do the little things right. We're not getting the little things right and it shows.
Thank you for telling me what I think.
Most of it is hyperbole avo, that's the world we live in currently. Fox Sports are just an extension of the Fox News cycle where they invent things for people to get upset about. Nobody is coming on here quoting SMH or The Australian and getting all upset about thosee opinion pieces. They quote Fox, they quote other clickbait folks like Clarkey or Inside Man. It's mostly baloney.
I don't think all the little things add up, no. I don't think the players care who is on the jersey and most people wouldn't have batted an eyelid at the design except that someone wanted to make a big deal about it, to get some clicks on it, and here we are.
Actually in my profession, it's more important to do the big things right; to swing the bat hardest at the biggest issues. The little things can be addressed once the ship is back on even keel. Nobody cares about jersey PR if Tigers win football matches, which shows the daftness of it all.
A lot of people come on here quoting SMH articles (including myself), and the Australian is part of New Corp hence also under the New Corp umbrella, so your argument is somewhat specious in that regard. Ultimately we just share a different view. I think a professional organisation has a responsibility to act in a professional manner, and as a club we absolutely do not.
On the final point, in my profession the finer details are every bit as important as the big things. Attention to detail matters. ESPECIALLY when the on field performance is so bad.
Well across both forums and all facebook groups you're pretty the only one that doesn't seem bothered by it.
Please tell me you don't judge the reaction of a large group by those few who scream the loudest? Most people who aren't bothered by it, by definition, don't comment on it.
I'm judging it by the response of fans of WT.
