@loganr21 already answers this several times mate . He’s doing something for them that they desperately needed , which is march them downfield .
We got downfield all year . And then shit the bed repeatedly in the red zone .
Jackson Hastings is not fixing that , he’s not creative at all .
My whole rant is about how he wouldn’t have moved the needle at all for us , because he didn’t offer much above the existing shit halves we had . Evidence 2022 season .
Which is why I’m excited about Sezer/ Sullivan/ Fainu .
mine can do the Hastings part , ata fraction of the cost , and the others can offer the creative spark we desperately need .
He definitely 💯 went into sheens office last year and asked for a pay rise somewhere around 750k.
So if the alternative is Jackson Hastings on 750k and what we have for next year , and neither is in a vacuum , sorry but they’re not , then I chose not .
Because shit is shit . No difference between shit with some veggies and nutrients (16th) and a big sloppy turd 17th .
It’s still faecal matter . And I’m astounded people want to argue differently .
As if Jackson Hastings staying would have changed our long term fortunes in a positive way .
what absolute nonsense ! He does a job ! And does it well. But we didn’t need a “organising half” which is the rage for some reason.
We need creativity , and this season has proven me and others right about that .
No creativity = no tries = no wins .It wasn't $750k he asked for but he was definitely looking for a big increase.
and an extension. IMO the club did the right thing pushing him out the door. YES OF COURSE he would have been better than Wakeham and Will Smith but the club didnt foresee (and probably shouldnt make plans on the basis of) both first choice halves going down and more importantly we could not tolerate a poor quality half back on good money for a few years because we need to rebuild. Would rather have kept Brooks than have Hastings here for an extended period and Im glad he is gone.
But YES Mike, Hastings would have been better than Wakeham/Smith and YES Knights are in finals......all in our rearvision mirror.
@loganr21 already answers this several times mate . He’s doing something for them that they desperately needed , which is march them downfield .
We got downfield all year . And then shit the bed repeatedly in the red zone .
Jackson Hastings is not fixing that , he’s not creative at all .
My whole rant is about how he wouldn’t have moved the needle at all for us , because he didn’t offer much above the existing shit halves we had . Evidence 2022 season .
Which is why I’m excited about Sezer/ Sullivan/ Fainu .
mine can do the Hastings part , ata fraction of the cost , and the others can offer the creative spark we desperately need .
He definitely 💯 went into sheens office last year and asked for a pay rise somewhere around 750k.
So if the alternative is Jackson Hastings on 750k and what we have for next year , and neither is in a vacuum , sorry but they’re not , then I chose not .
Because shit is shit . No difference between shit with some veggies and nutrients (16th) and a big sloppy turd 17th .
It’s still faecal matter . And I’m astounded people want to argue differently .
As if Jackson Hastings staying would have changed our long term fortunes in a positive way .
what absolute nonsense ! He does a job ! And does it well. But we didn’t need a “organising half” which is the rage for some reason.
We need creativity , and this season has proven me and others right about that .
No creativity = no tries = no wins .It wasn't $750k he asked for but he was definitely looking for a big increase.
and an extension. IMO the club did the right thing pushing him out the door. YES OF COURSE he would have been better than Wakeham and Will Smith but the club didnt foresee (and probably shouldnt make plans on the basis of) both first choice halves going down and more importantly we could not tolerate a poor quality half back on good money for a few years because we need to rebuild. Would rather have kept Brooks than have Hastings here for an extended period and Im glad he is gone.
But YES Mike, Hastings would have been better than Wakeham/Smith and YES Knights are in finals......all in our rearvision mirror.
Plenty of people foresaw issues in the halves when the club released Hastings and Madden left. With Brooks and AD's recent injury history you didn't need to be Nostradamus to predict trouble ahead.
It was clearly a mistake to release Hastings and this decision probably holed the good ship Sheens 2.0 below the waterline before it had even set sail.
No point in trying to rewrite history.
@loganr21 already answers this several times mate . He’s doing something for them that they desperately needed , which is march them downfield .
We got downfield all year . And then shit the bed repeatedly in the red zone .
Jackson Hastings is not fixing that , he’s not creative at all .
My whole rant is about how he wouldn’t have moved the needle at all for us , because he didn’t offer much above the existing shit halves we had . Evidence 2022 season .
Which is why I’m excited about Sezer/ Sullivan/ Fainu .
mine can do the Hastings part , ata fraction of the cost , and the others can offer the creative spark we desperately need .
He definitely 💯 went into sheens office last year and asked for a pay rise somewhere around 750k.
So if the alternative is Jackson Hastings on 750k and what we have for next year , and neither is in a vacuum , sorry but they’re not , then I chose not .
Because shit is shit . No difference between shit with some veggies and nutrients (16th) and a big sloppy turd 17th .
It’s still faecal matter . And I’m astounded people want to argue differently .
As if Jackson Hastings staying would have changed our long term fortunes in a positive way .
what absolute nonsense ! He does a job ! And does it well. But we didn’t need a “organising half” which is the rage for some reason.
We need creativity , and this season has proven me and others right about that .
No creativity = no tries = no wins .It wasn't $750k he asked for but he was definitely looking for a big increase.
and an extension. IMO the club did the right thing pushing him out the door. YES OF COURSE he would have been better than Wakeham and Will Smith but the club didnt foresee (and probably shouldnt make plans on the basis of) both first choice halves going down and more importantly we could not tolerate a poor quality half back on good money for a few years because we need to rebuild. Would rather have kept Brooks than have Hastings here for an extended period and Im glad he is gone.
But YES Mike, Hastings would have been better than Wakeham/Smith and YES Knights are in finals......all in our rearvision mirror.
Plenty of people foresaw issues in the halves when the club released Hastings and Madden left. With Brooks and AD's recent injury history you didn't need to be Nostradamus to predict trouble ahead.
It was clearly a mistake to release Hastings and this decision probably holed the good ship Sheens 2.0 below the waterline before it had even set sail.
No point in trying to rewrite history.
Can you prepare a short list of all the other clubs who have their 3rd or 4th choice halves on >$700K and over 3-4 years.
@loganr21 already answers this several times mate . He’s doing something for them that they desperately needed , which is march them downfield .
We got downfield all year . And then shit the bed repeatedly in the red zone .
Jackson Hastings is not fixing that , he’s not creative at all .
My whole rant is about how he wouldn’t have moved the needle at all for us , because he didn’t offer much above the existing shit halves we had . Evidence 2022 season .
Which is why I’m excited about Sezer/ Sullivan/ Fainu .
mine can do the Hastings part , ata fraction of the cost , and the others can offer the creative spark we desperately need .
He definitely 💯 went into sheens office last year and asked for a pay rise somewhere around 750k.
So if the alternative is Jackson Hastings on 750k and what we have for next year , and neither is in a vacuum , sorry but they’re not , then I chose not .
Because shit is shit . No difference between shit with some veggies and nutrients (16th) and a big sloppy turd 17th .
It’s still faecal matter . And I’m astounded people want to argue differently .
As if Jackson Hastings staying would have changed our long term fortunes in a positive way .
what absolute nonsense ! He does a job ! And does it well. But we didn’t need a “organising half” which is the rage for some reason.
We need creativity , and this season has proven me and others right about that .
No creativity = no tries = no wins .It wasn't $750k he asked for but he was definitely looking for a big increase.
and an extension. IMO the club did the right thing pushing him out the door. YES OF COURSE he would have been better than Wakeham and Will Smith but the club didnt foresee (and probably shouldnt make plans on the basis of) both first choice halves going down and more importantly we could not tolerate a poor quality half back on good money for a few years because we need to rebuild. Would rather have kept Brooks than have Hastings here for an extended period and Im glad he is gone.
But YES Mike, Hastings would have been better than Wakeham/Smith and YES Knights are in finals......all in our rearvision mirror.
Plenty of people foresaw issues in the halves when the club released Hastings and Madden left. With Brooks and AD's recent injury history you didn't need to be Nostradamus to predict trouble ahead.
It was clearly a mistake to release Hastings and this decision probably holed the good ship Sheens 2.0 below the waterline before it had even set sail.
No point in trying to rewrite history.
Can you prepare a short list of all the other clubs who have their 3rd or 4th choice halves on >$700K and over 3-4 years.
Hastings wasn’t on 700k at the tigers for this year.
He also wasn’t third or fourth best half at the club.
Not sure what your point is.
@loganr21 already answers this several times mate . He’s doing something for them that they desperately needed , which is march them downfield .
We got downfield all year . And then shit the bed repeatedly in the red zone .
Jackson Hastings is not fixing that , he’s not creative at all .
My whole rant is about how he wouldn’t have moved the needle at all for us , because he didn’t offer much above the existing shit halves we had . Evidence 2022 season .
Which is why I’m excited about Sezer/ Sullivan/ Fainu .
mine can do the Hastings part , ata fraction of the cost , and the others can offer the creative spark we desperately need .
He definitely 💯 went into sheens office last year and asked for a pay rise somewhere around 750k.
So if the alternative is Jackson Hastings on 750k and what we have for next year , and neither is in a vacuum , sorry but they’re not , then I chose not .
Because shit is shit . No difference between shit with some veggies and nutrients (16th) and a big sloppy turd 17th .
It’s still faecal matter . And I’m astounded people want to argue differently .
As if Jackson Hastings staying would have changed our long term fortunes in a positive way .
what absolute nonsense ! He does a job ! And does it well. But we didn’t need a “organising half” which is the rage for some reason.
We need creativity , and this season has proven me and others right about that .
No creativity = no tries = no wins .It wasn't $750k he asked for but he was definitely looking for a big increase.
and an extension. IMO the club did the right thing pushing him out the door. YES OF COURSE he would have been better than Wakeham and Will Smith but the club didnt foresee (and probably shouldnt make plans on the basis of) both first choice halves going down and more importantly we could not tolerate a poor quality half back on good money for a few years because we need to rebuild. Would rather have kept Brooks than have Hastings here for an extended period and Im glad he is gone.
But YES Mike, Hastings would have been better than Wakeham/Smith and YES Knights are in finals......all in our rearvision mirror.
Plenty of people foresaw issues in the halves when the club released Hastings and Madden left. With Brooks and AD's recent injury history you didn't need to be Nostradamus to predict trouble ahead.
It was clearly a mistake to release Hastings and this decision probably holed the good ship Sheens 2.0 below the waterline before it had even set sail.
No point in trying to rewrite history.
Can you prepare a short list of all the other clubs who have their 3rd or 4th choice halves on >$700K and over 3-4 years.
Hastings wasn’t on 700k at the tigers for this year.
He also wasn’t third or fourth best half at the club.
Not sure what your point is.
I said third or fourth choice....clearly by the fact that the club kept Brooks and AD and pushed out Hastings, he was at least third choice behind Brooks and AD. Would have been the highest paid 3rd choice half in the comp.
Thats my point.
@loganr21 already answers this several times mate . He’s doing something for them that they desperately needed , which is march them downfield .
We got downfield all year . And then shit the bed repeatedly in the red zone .
Jackson Hastings is not fixing that , he’s not creative at all .
My whole rant is about how he wouldn’t have moved the needle at all for us , because he didn’t offer much above the existing shit halves we had . Evidence 2022 season .
Which is why I’m excited about Sezer/ Sullivan/ Fainu .
mine can do the Hastings part , ata fraction of the cost , and the others can offer the creative spark we desperately need .
He definitely 💯 went into sheens office last year and asked for a pay rise somewhere around 750k.
So if the alternative is Jackson Hastings on 750k and what we have for next year , and neither is in a vacuum , sorry but they’re not , then I chose not .
Because shit is shit . No difference between shit with some veggies and nutrients (16th) and a big sloppy turd 17th .
It’s still faecal matter . And I’m astounded people want to argue differently .
As if Jackson Hastings staying would have changed our long term fortunes in a positive way .
what absolute nonsense ! He does a job ! And does it well. But we didn’t need a “organising half” which is the rage for some reason.
We need creativity , and this season has proven me and others right about that .
No creativity = no tries = no wins .It wasn't $750k he asked for but he was definitely looking for a big increase.
and an extension. IMO the club did the right thing pushing him out the door. YES OF COURSE he would have been better than Wakeham and Will Smith but the club didnt foresee (and probably shouldnt make plans on the basis of) both first choice halves going down and more importantly we could not tolerate a poor quality half back on good money for a few years because we need to rebuild. Would rather have kept Brooks than have Hastings here for an extended period and Im glad he is gone.
But YES Mike, Hastings would have been better than Wakeham/Smith and YES Knights are in finals......all in our rearvision mirror.
Plenty of people foresaw issues in the halves when the club released Hastings and Madden left. With Brooks and AD's recent injury history you didn't need to be Nostradamus to predict trouble ahead.
It was clearly a mistake to release Hastings and this decision probably holed the good ship Sheens 2.0 below the waterline before it had even set sail.
No point in trying to rewrite history.
Can you prepare a short list of all the other clubs who have their 3rd or 4th choice halves on >$700K and over 3-4 years.
Hastings wasn’t on 700k at the tigers for this year.
He also wasn’t third or fourth best half at the club.
Not sure what your point is.
I said third or fourth choice....clearly by the fact that the club kept Brooks and AD and pushed out Hastings, he was at least third choice behind Brooks and AD. Would have been the highest paid 3rd choice half in the comp.
Thats my point.
He wasn’t on 700k for this year at the Tigers though.
He wasn’t even third or fourth choice, Sheens said he wasn’t a half back at all but a lock and this is the decision which ultimate cost Sheens his job or at least was a major contributing factor.
@mike ? Lol like saying 16th is better than 17th in a sport where only the top 8 matters . Yea ok ! That’s the definition of intelligence right there …
The most irrelevant argument I’ve ever seen someone argue ! And that other forum was full of them
@celtic_tiger No , but he was asking for an upgrade , or he was going to leave for Newcastle . Meaning for this upcoming season we would have Hastings on 700k , maybe and I put a very big underline under maybe , we come 16th , there’s no way we sign fainu and Sullivan , maybe 1 of them , and now we are the definition of a mediocre team again , with a low floor low ceiling .
How do people not see this ! No young kid with raps on them like fainu and Sullivan (granted the shine has rubbed off in the last year , but he was the fainu of 2020 type era) is coming to play second fiddle to a guy like Hastings, for the next 2-3 years .
And once again which has been glossed over repeatedly by Mike , and not answered , are we not going to recognise the absolute hate that was extended his way by most of the squad .
So now by your logic , we keep him , pay him 700k ,for 2024 , at best a 2 year deal , he’s not that good , but better than Wakeham , the team hates him in general, but the fans love him because he does a good interview … cool . For …. Drumroll ……. Maybe , maybe , a fringe 8th spot , but most likely a 12-17th finish .
Cool ….
that’s a sure fire way to get yourself fired .
@celtic_tiger No , but he was asking for an upgrade , or he was going to leave for Newcastle . Meaning for this upcoming season we would have Hastings on 700k , maybe and I put a very big underline under maybe , we come 16th , there’s no way we sign fainu and Sullivan , maybe 1 of them , and now we are the definition of a mediocre team again , with a low floor low ceiling .
How do people not see this ! No young kid with raps on them like fainu and Sullivan (granted the shine has rubbed off in the last year , but he was the fainu of 2020 type era) is coming to play second fiddle to a guy like Hastings, for the next 2-3 years .
And once again which has been glossed over repeatedly by Mike , and not answered , are we not going to recognise the absolute hate that was extended his way by most of the squad .So now by your logic , we keep him , pay him 700k ,for 2024 , at best a 2 year deal , he’s not that good , but better than Wakeham , the team hates him in general, but the fans love him because he does a good interview … cool . For …. Drumroll ……. Maybe , maybe , a fringe 8th spot , but most likely a 12-17th finish .
Cool ….
that’s a sure fire way to get yourself fired .
Do you have single shred of evidence that this is the case apart from internet gossip because the Newcastle players don't seem to have a problem with him. Hate is a very strong word and I find it a very disrespectful thing to say about a player who put in every time he played for us and went out of his way to engage with fans. If your going to throw around rhetoric like that I suggest you back it up with some evidence.
Could it be by any chance that he expected certain standards from his team mates and some of them took offence at being expected to have a professional attitude, Nofa for example, and he doesn't experience this at Newcastle.
The rest or your post is just your opinion and I pretty much disagree with all of it.
Do you think Fainu would have a problem playing as a five eighth next to Hastings instead of Sezer, I dont.
And as far as Sullivan is concerned he has no where near the runs on the board that Hastings has and he still has it all to prove, especially his attitude and commitment to being a professional athlete. I would have Hastings in front of Sullivan every day of the week.
@celtic_tiger I wrote a long reply then deleted it .
all I will say is you say I’m making it up in one breath , and then in another say it’s true but he’s just driving standards … lol ok
This Hastings love affair is brooks level yuck . But based on even less reality ..
@lestronge With the greatest of respect Lestronge,you are the one that openly declared that Jackson Hastings is shit,and made some rather colourful references to turds etc..I believe if you’re going to be so vehemently insulting and derogatory of him,don’t be confusing those of defending him as having a love affair with him.Perhaps by going so hard at him and his abilities you’ve painted yourself into a bit of a corner.
For my way of thinking the attributes of composure and unflappable self-belief just to start with would have been prized commodities at the Wests Tigers this year.I beg to disagree with your blanket negative summation of him.Whilst he’s no spritely livewire,he atones for it in other ways,as I believe he is doing at Newcastle right now.
Must say, I never in my wildest imagination thought I’d see people getting so worked up about Jackson Hastings.
