@mike Making a profit is the only positive …Thanks goes to Maguire for assembling this bunch of pretenders over the last 3.5 seasons well done 👏 make no mistake this is his team !
Madge couldn’t do anything for the first 2yrs due to cap issues. Limited options last year and this. This is not the coaches fault. It’s the front office.
With respect Mike, this is complete rubbish and 756,000% wrong. I am so angry with Madge right now and Im picking your post to make a point. Our "team" are so unfit they are actually gassed 20mins into the game and all intensity drops off and they are barely trying to hold on for the last 60 whereas EVERY opposition (even Bulldogs) in a professional NRL competition keep competing for 80mins. The Penriths and Storms attack at pace, defend in a straight rushing line for the whole 80mins. We are hands on knees after 20mins. Talent has nothing to do with fitness, the front office has nothing to do with fitness. If you are the coach of a squad with a little talent as our squad, what do you think would be the first thing you make sure is at 100%? Fitness so at least we can compete. We are more than halfway through the season for Gods sake. Its actually disgusting and its 100% on Madge.
Today our defensive line just wanders up in three of four "lines" all day. Our defence couldnt even hold a straight line, like you teach kids. Actually disgusting and again, not the fault of Pascoe or Lee...or Kimmorley. Madge had this team for 3.5years.
I was ambivalent about sacking Madge because he seemed to have his heart in the club, but today is his legacy alone and Im furious.
You can be angry all you like. Won’t change a thing. The coach was never the problem. The fundamentals are still the same and they’ll be the same for the next coach. We’ll be sacking whoever it is in three years time as well, along with Sheens.
The team for the first two years was never Maguire’s he had his hands tied. The last year and a half not much on the market in the way of what we needed. Only for 2023 did Madge start to sign players we needed and he wanted. Then you have the chair trying to force players to come here by getting them to sign a ‘Heads of Agreement’. The club is a joke and it’s not the coach. Heaven help whom ever will be the next coach because the club won’t. It doesn’t know how to.
You still have at least three players there that are from the boys club and will undermine anyone who doesn’t go along with them. And none of these three have ever played finals footy.
Mike, all of those things are superfluous.
Forget the Lee "Heads of Agreement" or Lee talking or not talking. If players wanted to be coached by Madge they would have come. they didnt. No player cares about the CEO or Chairman.
The fundamentals ARE still the same unfortunately and most of these fundamentals were Madges responsibility. Fitness, defensive fundamentals, etc etc etc.
Unfortunately they aren’t superfluous, they are what has been holding the club back for over a decade. Factions, Interference and manipulation from the front office has plagued this club and it still continues. It’s a political hotbed, just ask Potter.
@mike Making a profit is the only positive …Thanks goes to Maguire for assembling this bunch of pretenders over the last 3.5 seasons well done 👏 make no mistake this is his team !
Madge couldn’t do anything for the first 2yrs due to cap issues. Limited options last year and this. This is not the coaches fault. It’s the front office.
With respect Mike, this is complete rubbish and 756,000% wrong. I am so angry with Madge right now and Im picking your post to make a point. Our "team" are so unfit they are actually gassed 20mins into the game and all intensity drops off and they are barely trying to hold on for the last 60 whereas EVERY opposition (even Bulldogs) in a professional NRL competition keep competing for 80mins. The Penriths and Storms attack at pace, defend in a straight rushing line for the whole 80mins. We are hands on knees after 20mins. Talent has nothing to do with fitness, the front office has nothing to do with fitness. If you are the coach of a squad with a little talent as our squad, what do you think would be the first thing you make sure is at 100%? Fitness so at least we can compete. We are more than halfway through the season for Gods sake. Its actually disgusting and its 100% on Madge.
Today our defensive line just wanders up in three of four "lines" all day. Our defence couldnt even hold a straight line, like you teach kids. Actually disgusting and again, not the fault of Pascoe or Lee...or Kimmorley. Madge had this team for 3.5years.
I was ambivalent about sacking Madge because he seemed to have his heart in the club, but today is his legacy alone and Im furious.
You can be angry all you like. Won’t change a thing. The coach was never the problem. The fundamentals are still the same and they’ll be the same for the next coach. We’ll be sacking whoever it is in three years time as well, along with Sheens.
The team for the first two years was never Maguire’s he had his hands tied. The last year and a half not much on the market in the way of what we needed. Only for 2023 did Madge start to sign players we needed and he wanted. Then you have the chair trying to force players to come here by getting them to sign a ‘Heads of Agreement’. The club is a joke and it’s not the coach. Heaven help whom ever will be the next coach because the club won’t. It doesn’t know how to.
You still have at least three players there that are from the boys club and will undermine anyone who doesn’t go along with them. And none of these three have ever played finals footy.
Mike, all of those things are superfluous.
Forget the Lee "Heads of Agreement" or Lee talking or not talking. If players wanted to be coached by Madge they would have come. they didnt. No player cares about the CEO or Chairman.
The fundamentals ARE still the same unfortunately and most of these fundamentals were Madges responsibility. Fitness, defensive fundamentals, etc etc etc.
Unfortunately they aren’t superfluous, they are what has been holding the club back for over a decade. Factions, Interference and manipulation from the front office has plagued this club and it still continues. It’s a political hotbed, just ask Potter.
100% Superfluous. Yes, all of those things are real, yes all of those things hold us back but its a pimple on a pig. There are even more pressing issues, like getting the team fit, teaching them how to play.
Fold this team please!!!
Definitely the easiest solution at the moment right.
@mike Making a profit is the only positive …Thanks goes to Maguire for assembling this bunch of pretenders over the last 3.5 seasons well done 👏 make no mistake this is his team !
Madge couldn’t do anything for the first 2yrs due to cap issues. Limited options last year and this. This is not the coaches fault. It’s the front office.
With respect Mike, this is complete rubbish and 756,000% wrong. I am so angry with Madge right now and Im picking your post to make a point. Our "team" are so unfit they are actually gassed 20mins into the game and all intensity drops off and they are barely trying to hold on for the last 60 whereas EVERY opposition (even Bulldogs) in a professional NRL competition keep competing for 80mins. The Penriths and Storms attack at pace, defend in a straight rushing line for the whole 80mins. We are hands on knees after 20mins. Talent has nothing to do with fitness, the front office has nothing to do with fitness. If you are the coach of a squad with a little talent as our squad, what do you think would be the first thing you make sure is at 100%? Fitness so at least we can compete. We are more than halfway through the season for Gods sake. Its actually disgusting and its 100% on Madge.
Today our defensive line just wanders up in three of four "lines" all day. Our defence couldnt even hold a straight line, like you teach kids. Actually disgusting and again, not the fault of Pascoe or Lee...or Kimmorley. Madge had this team for 3.5years.
I was ambivalent about sacking Madge because he seemed to have his heart in the club, but today is his legacy alone and Im furious.
Disagree ..the players were givn their " out clause " when they sacked Madge ....Kimmorley will never coach again so we just slipped the accountability noose off the players necks ...this club is a joke
Just realised something guys….our captain started from the bench today. Last time that happened was probably Kurt Gidley and the blues debarkle.
@mike Making a profit is the only positive …Thanks goes to Maguire for assembling this bunch of pretenders over the last 3.5 seasons well done 👏 make no mistake this is his team !
Madge couldn’t do anything for the first 2yrs due to cap issues. Limited options last year and this. This is not the coaches fault. It’s the front office.
With respect Mike, this is complete rubbish and 756,000% wrong. I am so angry with Madge right now and Im picking your post to make a point. Our "team" are so unfit they are actually gassed 20mins into the game and all intensity drops off and they are barely trying to hold on for the last 60 whereas EVERY opposition (even Bulldogs) in a professional NRL competition keep competing for 80mins. The Penriths and Storms attack at pace, defend in a straight rushing line for the whole 80mins. We are hands on knees after 20mins. Talent has nothing to do with fitness, the front office has nothing to do with fitness. If you are the coach of a squad with a little talent as our squad, what do you think would be the first thing you make sure is at 100%? Fitness so at least we can compete. We are more than halfway through the season for Gods sake. Its actually disgusting and its 100% on Madge.
Today our defensive line just wanders up in three of four "lines" all day. Our defence couldnt even hold a straight line, like you teach kids. Actually disgusting and again, not the fault of Pascoe or Lee...or Kimmorley. Madge had this team for 3.5years.
I was ambivalent about sacking Madge because he seemed to have his heart in the club, but today is his legacy alone and Im furious.
You can be angry all you like. Won’t change a thing. The coach was never the problem. The fundamentals are still the same and they’ll be the same for the next coach. We’ll be sacking whoever it is in three years time as well, along with Sheens.
The team for the first two years was never Maguire’s he had his hands tied. The last year and a half not much on the market in the way of what we needed. Only for 2023 did Madge start to sign players we needed and he wanted. Then you have the chair trying to force players to come here by getting them to sign a ‘Heads of Agreement’. The club is a joke and it’s not the coach. Heaven help whom ever will be the next coach because the club won’t. It doesn’t know how to.
You still have at least three players there that are from the boys club and will undermine anyone who doesn’t go along with them. And none of these three have ever played finals footy.
Mike, all of those things are superfluous.
Forget the Lee "Heads of Agreement" or Lee talking or not talking. If players wanted to be coached by Madge they would have come. they didnt. No player cares about the CEO or Chairman.
The fundamentals ARE still the same unfortunately and most of these fundamentals were Madges responsibility. Fitness, defensive fundamentals, etc etc etc.
Unfortunately they aren’t superfluous, they are what has been holding the club back for over a decade. Factions, Interference and manipulation from the front office has plagued this club and it still continues. It’s a political hotbed, just ask Potter.
100% Superfluous. Yes, all of those things are real, yes all of those things hold us back but its a pimple on a pig. There are even more pressing issues, like getting the team fit, teaching them how to play.
Nonsense.
@mike Making a profit is the only positive …Thanks goes to Maguire for assembling this bunch of pretenders over the last 3.5 seasons well done 👏 make no mistake this is his team !
Madge couldn’t do anything for the first 2yrs due to cap issues. Limited options last year and this. This is not the coaches fault. It’s the front office.
With respect Mike, this is complete rubbish and 756,000% wrong. I am so angry with Madge right now and Im picking your post to make a point. Our "team" are so unfit they are actually gassed 20mins into the game and all intensity drops off and they are barely trying to hold on for the last 60 whereas EVERY opposition (even Bulldogs) in a professional NRL competition keep competing for 80mins. The Penriths and Storms attack at pace, defend in a straight rushing line for the whole 80mins. We are hands on knees after 20mins. Talent has nothing to do with fitness, the front office has nothing to do with fitness. If you are the coach of a squad with a little talent as our squad, what do you think would be the first thing you make sure is at 100%? Fitness so at least we can compete. We are more than halfway through the season for Gods sake. Its actually disgusting and its 100% on Madge.
Today our defensive line just wanders up in three of four "lines" all day. Our defence couldnt even hold a straight line, like you teach kids. Actually disgusting and again, not the fault of Pascoe or Lee...or Kimmorley. Madge had this team for 3.5years.
I was ambivalent about sacking Madge because he seemed to have his heart in the club, but today is his legacy alone and Im furious.
Disagree ..the players were givn their " out clause " when they sacked Madge ....Kimmorley will never coach again so we just slipped the accountability noose off the players necks ...this club is a joke
Cant argue with your logic, but were they traveling noticeably better with Madge?
@mike Making a profit is the only positive …Thanks goes to Maguire for assembling this bunch of pretenders over the last 3.5 seasons well done 👏 make no mistake this is his team !
Madge couldn’t do anything for the first 2yrs due to cap issues. Limited options last year and this. This is not the coaches fault. It’s the front office.
With respect Mike, this is complete rubbish and 756,000% wrong. I am so angry with Madge right now and Im picking your post to make a point. Our "team" are so unfit they are actually gassed 20mins into the game and all intensity drops off and they are barely trying to hold on for the last 60 whereas EVERY opposition (even Bulldogs) in a professional NRL competition keep competing for 80mins. The Penriths and Storms attack at pace, defend in a straight rushing line for the whole 80mins. We are hands on knees after 20mins. Talent has nothing to do with fitness, the front office has nothing to do with fitness. If you are the coach of a squad with a little talent as our squad, what do you think would be the first thing you make sure is at 100%? Fitness so at least we can compete. We are more than halfway through the season for Gods sake. Its actually disgusting and its 100% on Madge.
Today our defensive line just wanders up in three of four "lines" all day. Our defence couldnt even hold a straight line, like you teach kids. Actually disgusting and again, not the fault of Pascoe or Lee...or Kimmorley. Madge had this team for 3.5years.
I was ambivalent about sacking Madge because he seemed to have his heart in the club, but today is his legacy alone and Im furious.
You can be angry all you like. Won’t change a thing. The coach was never the problem. The fundamentals are still the same and they’ll be the same for the next coach. We’ll be sacking whoever it is in three years time as well, along with Sheens.
The team for the first two years was never Maguire’s he had his hands tied. The last year and a half not much on the market in the way of what we needed. Only for 2023 did Madge start to sign players we needed and he wanted. Then you have the chair trying to force players to come here by getting them to sign a ‘Heads of Agreement’. The club is a joke and it’s not the coach. Heaven help whom ever will be the next coach because the club won’t. It doesn’t know how to.
You still have at least three players there that are from the boys club and will undermine anyone who doesn’t go along with them. And none of these three have ever played finals footy.
Mike, all of those things are superfluous.
Forget the Lee "Heads of Agreement" or Lee talking or not talking. If players wanted to be coached by Madge they would have come. they didnt. No player cares about the CEO or Chairman.
The fundamentals ARE still the same unfortunately and most of these fundamentals were Madges responsibility. Fitness, defensive fundamentals, etc etc etc.
Unfortunately they aren’t superfluous, they are what has been holding the club back for over a decade. Factions, Interference and manipulation from the front office has plagued this club and it still continues. It’s a political hotbed, just ask Potter.
100% Superfluous. Yes, all of those things are real, yes all of those things hold us back but its a pimple on a pig. There are even more pressing issues, like getting the team fit, teaching them how to play.
Nonsense.
We clearly have different opinions, which is totally cool.
But answer a few q's for me?
Does this team appear fit enough for a competitive NRL team?
Does this team look like they know how to defend under pressure?
Are they repeating the same mistakes in defence that they have for the last 3 years? (behind the ruck)
Mike, I dont disagree with your premise that our front office is rubbish, but I would be entirely in agreeance with you if Madge was squeezing the best out of this squad but he simply didnt. Simple things like fitness.
@mike Making a profit is the only positive …Thanks goes to Maguire for assembling this bunch of pretenders over the last 3.5 seasons well done 👏 make no mistake this is his team !
Madge couldn’t do anything for the first 2yrs due to cap issues. Limited options last year and this. This is not the coaches fault. It’s the front office.
With respect Mike, this is complete rubbish and 756,000% wrong. I am so angry with Madge right now and Im picking your post to make a point. Our "team" are so unfit they are actually gassed 20mins into the game and all intensity drops off and they are barely trying to hold on for the last 60 whereas EVERY opposition (even Bulldogs) in a professional NRL competition keep competing for 80mins. The Penriths and Storms attack at pace, defend in a straight rushing line for the whole 80mins. We are hands on knees after 20mins. Talent has nothing to do with fitness, the front office has nothing to do with fitness. If you are the coach of a squad with a little talent as our squad, what do you think would be the first thing you make sure is at 100%? Fitness so at least we can compete. We are more than halfway through the season for Gods sake. Its actually disgusting and its 100% on Madge.
Today our defensive line just wanders up in three of four "lines" all day. Our defence couldnt even hold a straight line, like you teach kids. Actually disgusting and again, not the fault of Pascoe or Lee...or Kimmorley. Madge had this team for 3.5years.
I was ambivalent about sacking Madge because he seemed to have his heart in the club, but today is his legacy alone and Im furious.
You can be angry all you like. Won’t change a thing. The coach was never the problem. The fundamentals are still the same and they’ll be the same for the next coach. We’ll be sacking whoever it is in three years time as well, along with Sheens.
The team for the first two years was never Maguire’s he had his hands tied. The last year and a half not much on the market in the way of what we needed. Only for 2023 did Madge start to sign players we needed and he wanted. Then you have the chair trying to force players to come here by getting them to sign a ‘Heads of Agreement’. The club is a joke and it’s not the coach. Heaven help whom ever will be the next coach because the club won’t. It doesn’t know how to.
You still have at least three players there that are from the boys club and will undermine anyone who doesn’t go along with them. And none of these three have ever played finals footy.
Mike, all of those things are superfluous.
Forget the Lee "Heads of Agreement" or Lee talking or not talking. If players wanted to be coached by Madge they would have come. they didnt. No player cares about the CEO or Chairman.
The fundamentals ARE still the same unfortunately and most of these fundamentals were Madges responsibility. Fitness, defensive fundamentals, etc etc etc.
Unfortunately they aren’t superfluous, they are what has been holding the club back for over a decade. Factions, Interference and manipulation from the front office has plagued this club and it still continues. It’s a political hotbed, just ask Potter.
100% Superfluous. Yes, all of those things are real, yes all of those things hold us back but its a pimple on a pig. There are even more pressing issues, like getting the team fit, teaching them how to play.
Nonsense.
We clearly have different opinions, which is totally cool.
But answer a few q's for me?
Does this team appear fit enough for a competitive NRL team?
Does this team look like they know how to defend under pressure?
Are they repeating the same mistakes in defence that they have for the last 3 years? (behind the ruck)
Mike, I dont disagree with your premise that our front office is rubbish, but I would be entirely in agreeance with you if Madge was squeezing the best out of this squad but he simply didnt. Simple things like fitness.
1) yes they are fit enough. The issue is we never win the collision and so are always on the back foot. We don’t have the big boppers needed. Any team in this situation would have the same issue. If you get on the front foot less energy is required.
2) A Wests Tigers team has never known how to defend. This is from day 1 even including 2005. But this year they had been disruptive. Except for the last two games we were affecting the opposition attack. Teams playing us were making mistakes that they normally would not do. That was no coincidence.
3) At times yes but as 2 above no. They had improved.
Defence is one part of our problem, we can’t hold the ball either and give away stupid penalties.
@mike Making a profit is the only positive …Thanks goes to Maguire for assembling this bunch of pretenders over the last 3.5 seasons well done 👏 make no mistake this is his team !
Madge couldn’t do anything for the first 2yrs due to cap issues. Limited options last year and this. This is not the coaches fault. It’s the front office.
With respect Mike, this is complete rubbish and 756,000% wrong. I am so angry with Madge right now and Im picking your post to make a point. Our "team" are so unfit they are actually gassed 20mins into the game and all intensity drops off and they are barely trying to hold on for the last 60 whereas EVERY opposition (even Bulldogs) in a professional NRL competition keep competing for 80mins. The Penriths and Storms attack at pace, defend in a straight rushing line for the whole 80mins. We are hands on knees after 20mins. Talent has nothing to do with fitness, the front office has nothing to do with fitness. If you are the coach of a squad with a little talent as our squad, what do you think would be the first thing you make sure is at 100%? Fitness so at least we can compete. We are more than halfway through the season for Gods sake. Its actually disgusting and its 100% on Madge.
Today our defensive line just wanders up in three of four "lines" all day. Our defence couldnt even hold a straight line, like you teach kids. Actually disgusting and again, not the fault of Pascoe or Lee...or Kimmorley. Madge had this team for 3.5years.
I was ambivalent about sacking Madge because he seemed to have his heart in the club, but today is his legacy alone and Im furious.
Disagree ..the players were givn their " out clause " when they sacked Madge ....Kimmorley will never coach again so we just slipped the accountability noose off the players necks ...this club is a joke
Cant argue with your logic, but were they traveling noticeably better with Madge?
So why sack him if we aren't better or worse
I see the NSW Cup boys got a thrashing also just to add further to the doldrums.
@mike Making a profit is the only positive …Thanks goes to Maguire for assembling this bunch of pretenders over the last 3.5 seasons well done 👏 make no mistake this is his team !
Madge couldn’t do anything for the first 2yrs due to cap issues. Limited options last year and this. This is not the coaches fault. It’s the front office.
With respect Mike, this is complete rubbish and 756,000% wrong. I am so angry with Madge right now and Im picking your post to make a point. Our "team" are so unfit they are actually gassed 20mins into the game and all intensity drops off and they are barely trying to hold on for the last 60 whereas EVERY opposition (even Bulldogs) in a professional NRL competition keep competing for 80mins. The Penriths and Storms attack at pace, defend in a straight rushing line for the whole 80mins. We are hands on knees after 20mins. Talent has nothing to do with fitness, the front office has nothing to do with fitness. If you are the coach of a squad with a little talent as our squad, what do you think would be the first thing you make sure is at 100%? Fitness so at least we can compete. We are more than halfway through the season for Gods sake. Its actually disgusting and its 100% on Madge.
Today our defensive line just wanders up in three of four "lines" all day. Our defence couldnt even hold a straight line, like you teach kids. Actually disgusting and again, not the fault of Pascoe or Lee...or Kimmorley. Madge had this team for 3.5years.
I was ambivalent about sacking Madge because he seemed to have his heart in the club, but today is his legacy alone and Im furious.
Disagree ..the players were givn their " out clause " when they sacked Madge ....Kimmorley will never coach again so we just slipped the accountability noose off the players necks ...this club is a joke
Cant argue with your logic, but were they traveling noticeably better with Madge?
So why sack him if we aren't better or worse
Did you expect Kimmorley to turn them around?
I dont disagree with you. I do think Madge is not the right coach for us and responsible for a very large part of our problems, however the state of our team/club is such that it is going to take a very particularly skilful individual to turn it around and Im not sure Morris (no drawing power), Flanagan (obvious problems) are the guys to do it. Ciraldo is unproven but there is a logical train of thought that he has been largely responsible for the junior development at the Riff as well as their incredible defence and first hand knowledge of their systems.
I think Madge needed to go (in hindsight, I didnt at the time), but strangely I also concede that if we cant get Ciraldo, Im worried whether Morris or Flanno will be a better bet than keeping Madge.
As Garry said the other day, it looks like Ciraldo or bust.
@mike Making a profit is the only positive …Thanks goes to Maguire for assembling this bunch of pretenders over the last 3.5 seasons well done 👏 make no mistake this is his team !
Madge couldn’t do anything for the first 2yrs due to cap issues. Limited options last year and this. This is not the coaches fault. It’s the front office.
With respect Mike, this is complete rubbish and 756,000% wrong. I am so angry with Madge right now and Im picking your post to make a point. Our "team" are so unfit they are actually gassed 20mins into the game and all intensity drops off and they are barely trying to hold on for the last 60 whereas EVERY opposition (even Bulldogs) in a professional NRL competition keep competing for 80mins. The Penriths and Storms attack at pace, defend in a straight rushing line for the whole 80mins. We are hands on knees after 20mins. Talent has nothing to do with fitness, the front office has nothing to do with fitness. If you are the coach of a squad with a little talent as our squad, what do you think would be the first thing you make sure is at 100%? Fitness so at least we can compete. We are more than halfway through the season for Gods sake. Its actually disgusting and its 100% on Madge.
Today our defensive line just wanders up in three of four "lines" all day. Our defence couldnt even hold a straight line, like you teach kids. Actually disgusting and again, not the fault of Pascoe or Lee...or Kimmorley. Madge had this team for 3.5years.
I was ambivalent about sacking Madge because he seemed to have his heart in the club, but today is his legacy alone and Im furious.
Disagree ..the players were givn their " out clause " when they sacked Madge ....Kimmorley will never coach again so we just slipped the accountability noose off the players necks ...this club is a joke
Cant argue with your logic, but were they traveling noticeably better with Madge?
So why sack him if we aren't better or worse
Did you expect Kimmorley to turn them around?
I dont disagree with you. I do think Madge is not the right coach for us and responsible for a very large part of our problems, however the state of our team/club is such that it is going to take a very particularly skilful individual to turn it around and Im not sure Morris (no drawing power), Flanagan (obvious problems) are the guys to do it. Ciraldo is unproven but there is a logical train of thought that he has been largely responsible for the junior development at the Riff as well as their incredible defence and first hand knowledge of their systems.
I think Madge needed to go (in hindsight, I didnt at the time), but strangely I also concede that if we cant get Ciraldo, Im worried whether Morris or Flanno will be a better bet than keeping Madge.
As Garry said the other day, it looks like Ciraldo or bust.
Bust then ....we won't get Ciraldo
@mike Making a profit is the only positive …Thanks goes to Maguire for assembling this bunch of pretenders over the last 3.5 seasons well done 👏 make no mistake this is his team !
Madge couldn’t do anything for the first 2yrs due to cap issues. Limited options last year and this. This is not the coaches fault. It’s the front office.
With respect Mike, this is complete rubbish and 756,000% wrong. I am so angry with Madge right now and Im picking your post to make a point. Our "team" are so unfit they are actually gassed 20mins into the game and all intensity drops off and they are barely trying to hold on for the last 60 whereas EVERY opposition (even Bulldogs) in a professional NRL competition keep competing for 80mins. The Penriths and Storms attack at pace, defend in a straight rushing line for the whole 80mins. We are hands on knees after 20mins. Talent has nothing to do with fitness, the front office has nothing to do with fitness. If you are the coach of a squad with a little talent as our squad, what do you think would be the first thing you make sure is at 100%? Fitness so at least we can compete. We are more than halfway through the season for Gods sake. Its actually disgusting and its 100% on Madge.
Today our defensive line just wanders up in three of four "lines" all day. Our defence couldnt even hold a straight line, like you teach kids. Actually disgusting and again, not the fault of Pascoe or Lee...or Kimmorley. Madge had this team for 3.5years.
I was ambivalent about sacking Madge because he seemed to have his heart in the club, but today is his legacy alone and Im furious.
Disagree ..the players were givn their " out clause " when they sacked Madge ....Kimmorley will never coach again so we just slipped the accountability noose off the players necks ...this club is a joke
Cant argue with your logic, but were they traveling noticeably better with Madge?
So why sack him if we aren't better or worse
Did you expect Kimmorley to turn them around?
I dont disagree with you. I do think Madge is not the right coach for us and responsible for a very large part of our problems, however the state of our team/club is such that it is going to take a very particularly skilful individual to turn it around and Im not sure Morris (no drawing power), Flanagan (obvious problems) are the guys to do it. Ciraldo is unproven but there is a logical train of thought that he has been largely responsible for the junior development at the Riff as well as their incredible defence and first hand knowledge of their systems.
I think Madge needed to go (in hindsight, I didnt at the time), but strangely I also concede that if we cant get Ciraldo, Im worried whether Morris or Flanno will be a better bet than keeping Madge.
As Garry said the other day, it looks like Ciraldo or bust.
Bust then ....we won't get Ciraldo
Thats what Im worried about and I dont think it is being dramatic. I seriously doubt that this club can survive if this next step isnt the right one.
