Wests Tigers Podcast episode 0356 - Wests Tigers Podcast

RE: Wests Tigers Podcast episode 0356

lestronge — Wed, 28 Aug 2024 04:19:18 +0000

@tigersteve yea maybe . They will at Penrith . They will at the storm . They will at the roosters .
The reason is there’s a symbiotic relationship between the club and its players that everyone’s best interest will be looked after .
we need to create a platform of wins and success to allow patience within the playing group .
I think with the development of the cubs programs , and Successful junior rep teams where players are progressing together , that should help with the playing group themselves creating a culture of patience, work ethic and trust .
but like I said the wins need to be at the top , and we also need to leverage those wins inevitably into individual success ie. origin , dally m etc.

All KPIs and bonuses built into many players contracts .

Otherwise you’re right , even if they do have loyalty , if you know just being average in a roosters team will probably get you in the shop window of origin , tests etc , that’s a far better financial outcome for yourself and your family .

RE: Wests Tigers Podcast episode 0356

TigerSteve — Sun, 25 Aug 2024 21:25:01 +0000

A big issue in all this is most young players won't bide their time, or at least their managers won't. Unless they are progressing and playing where they want, they will agitate for a release and go elsewhere. We need to determine the best of our young talent, and then keep them by showing them WT is the best place for them

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TGRZMN — Sun, 25 Aug 2024 12:59:49 +0000

What a dilemma we are facing. Trying to fit all our emerging talent into our top 17 each week. Most of these young kids are running around in FG because they are at WT ... some may say more than because they are FGers. If we buy some more experienced players and our injured ones return to match fitness, the kids will have to settle for Cup spots and bide their time there until needed.

Has our need to accelerate the youth into FG this year caused them to be impatient and will being forced to wait for opportunities in 25 cause them to be unsettled and try their luck elsewhere?

It's a balancing act for those in charge for sure.

RE: Wests Tigers Podcast episode 0356

Anonymous 19 — Sun, 25 Aug 2024 11:22:12 +0000

And that’s awesome because for the first time in a long time we may have 20-23 players that can and probably should be playing week in week out .
Thats literally how the top teams roll .
we need to get wins though and quick to justify this depth . Otherwise they’ll all bail for an opportunity rather than wait thier time .

Brilliant point

RE: Wests Tigers Podcast episode 0356

lestronge — Sun, 25 Aug 2024 11:18:08 +0000

@tigersteve I disagree completely . His work rate is second to none , has stopped more tries in a year and a half than many fullbacks thier entire career .
has a great leap , and averages near on 200m most games .
the reason his carry return is so poor , is a lot to do with the lack of control in the ruck and allowing teams to not just march down field , but get kicks away with no pressure .
on Thursday I felt like the ruck was controlled well , the ref had a lot to do with as well ( some might say too little too late in regards to lopsided ruck speed) , and as such Mason was allowed to return the ball with cheap metres , and gain could speed to split defenders. .

i think Bula defers to his wingers a lot more to conserve energy , because to be honest with our horrible defence it’s better served elsewhere .

He’s not very good at tripping numbers though finding the correct pass on 4v3s, 3v2s etc , but I felt like he was getting better with that as the seasons progressed .
Mason is a weapon for sure . But he’s not in our top 17 next year . And that’s awesome because for the first time in a long time we may have 20-23 players that can and probably should be playing week in week out .
Thats literally how the top teams roll .
we need to get wins though and quick to justify this depth . Otherwise they’ll all bail for an opportunity rather than wait thier time .

RE: Wests Tigers Podcast episode 0356

Anonymous 19 — Sun, 25 Aug 2024 10:23:24 +0000

Great pod guys, a post victory pod is so much better.

However, tackling the big issues........

I cant beleive the two school teachers didnt pick Joel up on repeatedly saying potentiality. Potential is the word you are reaching for.

I heard it too and thought ‘that’s not a word’ but then knew there were teachers on the pod. So it’s not then

I did leave school at 15 and I was barely there before that so there might be some mispronunciation 😂 potentiality is a perfectly cromulent word.

Potentially, but potential is a more compendious word, dare I say it, concise.

RE: Wests Tigers Podcast episode 0356

Joel Helmes — Sun, 25 Aug 2024 09:36:02 +0000

Great pod guys, a post victory pod is so much better.

However, tackling the big issues........

I cant beleive the two school teachers didnt pick Joel up on repeatedly saying potentiality. Potential is the word you are reaching for.

I heard it too and thought ‘that’s not a word’ but then knew there were teachers on the pod. So it’s not then

I did leave school at 15 and I was barely there before that so there might be some mispronunciation 😂 potentiality is a perfectly cromulent word.

RE: Wests Tigers Podcast episode 0356

Anonymous 79 — Sun, 25 Aug 2024 05:07:20 +0000

Great pod guys, a post victory pod is so much better.

However, tackling the big issues........

I cant beleive the two school teachers didnt pick Joel up on repeatedly saying potentiality. Potential is the word you are reaching for.

I heard it too and thought ‘that’s not a word’ but then knew there were teachers on the pod. So it’s not then

RE: Wests Tigers Podcast episode 0356

Tiger Symmetry — Sun, 25 Aug 2024 01:42:35 +0000

I believe for the most part Bula’s positional play has been pretty decent.Sure he’s up in the line quite often and if a play breaks down suddenly we’re behind the 8 ball,but generally we’re chasing the scoreboard.Initially he was criticised for not sniffing around the middle enough.Let’s not forget that he’s rather new to the discipline of NRL fullback himself.As a custodian and under the high ball he’s pretty damned good.I wouldn’t be switching him in a hurry,even though his kick returns aren’t that robust.I think into the future he’ll get more support in that facet.The real downside for Jahream is that his off-season and the chance to build up his body have been compromised. I really wish him a speedy rehab.That being said it’s such a positive for our team to finally possess positional options and Heath Mason is certainly making a fist of it.He and Bula are polar opposites but having this quality can only enrich the team,but for now in my view Bula is our rightful no1.

RE: Wests Tigers Podcast episode 0356

Joel Helmes — Sun, 25 Aug 2024 00:00:46 +0000

Re Mason, the point I was making was that at this stage we can't afford to have one of our better players in reggies. Our best 17 need to be in firsts. If (and it's still a big if) Mason develops into one of our better players he would need to play fullback imo with Bula moving to centre where I think he'd be good actually.

100% agree with the post about Bula's defence at the back. It's very good. But there are other areas he needs to work on - positional play, bringing ball back being two

I remember the first few games I saw Dylan Edwards played - I thought, what’s all the fuss about him?

Look how he has progressed over 50-100 games. Mason could be a guy that just keeps getting better as he gets more experience.

Bula has strong fullback attributes but I don’t think he’s completely made the position his own.